C M Reinehr schrieb:
> On Wednesday 16 January 2008 09:49, Ingo Jochim wrote:
>   
>> C M Reinehr schrieb:
>>     
>>> On Wednesday 16 January 2008 08:54, Ingo Jochim wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Dan Langille schrieb:
>>>>         
>>>>> Reply has been rearranged to retain chronological order.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 16, 2008, at 9:22 AM, Ingo Jochim wrote:
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Dan Langille schrieb:
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> Ingo Jochim wrote:
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>> I create hard links for the files I want to backup so that while I
>>>>>>>> do the backup the files can get deleted by someone else.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The problem is that on an incremental backup I get a backup of all
>>>>>>>> the files again like I got on a full backup.
>>>>>>>> I create all the hard links right before the backup. A hard link
>>>>>>>> points to the same file with the same date and so.
>>>>>>>> Why does bacula backup all the files again?
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>> Because the dates on the hard links are newer than the previous
>>>>>>> backup.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Dan,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a hard link looks like the original file. So it always should have
>>>>>>> the same date.
>>>>>>> Below you will see that the hard link (second line) has the same
>>>>>>> date at
>>>>>>> the "original" file.
>>>>>>> I created the hard link today but it also has the date from november
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> 23th.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ingo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# ls -l file.JPG
>>>>>>> -rw-rw-r-- 2 root root 314099 23. Nov 15:58 file.JPG
>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# ls -l backup/file.JPG
>>>>>>> -rw-rw-r-- 2 mother mother 314099 23. Nov 15:58 backup/file.JPG
>>>>>>>               
>>>>> You create these hard links just before you run
>>>>> each backup.  Is that correct?
>>>>>           
>>>> Correct.
>>>> So I do like a snapshot. The original files can get deleted after the
>>>> snapshot and I'm still able to finish my backup to tape.
>>>>
>>>> Ingo
>>>>         
>>> Ingo,
>>>
>>> While the modification time is that of the original file, the access time
>>> & creation time are that of the link.
>>>
>>> cmr
>>>       
>> Ok. Got it. But how can I avoid that I get a new date?
>> Is there a presereve parameter like on cp?
>>
>> Ingo
>>     
>
> The only thing that comes to mind would be to use 'touch' to modify the times 
> of the link to those of the original file. If you are using a shell script to 
> create your hard links you could modify it to obtain the times and then 
> execute touch with the appropriate options.
>
> cmr
>   

Good idea.
So what is important for the backup? ctime or mtime?
I't not able to reset the ctime.
How can I have ls give me the time format I will need for touch to reset 
the time?

 200012311800     <--->  31. Dez 2000

Ingo



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