On 8/28/05, Iskandar Hai, M.D. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hai:
It's a fact that the early Babis, or at lease an overwhelming majority of
them, did not consider themselves non-Muslims.
Peace
It seems that you are arguing and contending with facts. I'm not sure if
there is much point then in continuing the dialog.
Yes, I agree that our particular exchanges have not been useful or productive. We should agree to disagree.
Hai:
It's a fact that the early Babis, or at lease an overwhelming majority of
them, did not consider themselves non-Muslims.
Gilberto:
This is pointless unless you have a particular definition of Islam in mind. Or at least we should have some criteria or conditions in mind for when people are Muslim or not. From my understanding, a major requirement for being Muslim is to accept the validity of the basic Islamic commandments. Since the Bab at some point announced that Islamic law was actually abrogated and that he came with a new revelation, it seems pretty clear that Babis who accept this claim are not Muslims.
Sometimes Babis/Bahais use a certain amount of "hikmat" and explaining what their various claims were and that might have lead to some misunderstanding. I was reading that one Bahai pioneer was teaching the faith in Southeast Asia but gave the impression that Bahaullah was a Muslim Sufi shaikh. And alot of Muslims became "followers" of Bahaullah that way. But when they were ultimately told that according to Bahaullah Islamic law had been abrogated they were very upset and were no longer "followers". They were misled as to the nature of what was presented to them.
Maybe something like that went on with the Babis?
Hai:
Also, for your information, Baha'is are persecuted in Sunni countries as
well. Egypt, and Saudi Arabia specifically.
well. Egypt, and Saudi Arabia specifically.
Yes, even mainstream Muslims are persecuted in Saudi Arabia. That regime has alot of problems even from a Muslim perspective. Religious sites being destroyed. Tombs, etc.
Peace
Gilberto
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