Another memorable post for the hall of fame of rubbish and non-sensical
comments.
Iskandar
On Fri, 28 Oct 2005, Gilberto Simpson wrote:
> On 10/27/05, Susan Maneck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "How did they change? (I don't mean, "what was the change?", I mean
> > "What was the process by which they changed?")"
> >
> > Dear Gilberto,
> >
> > I consider the Will of God to be the basis of all morality. That Will is
> > expressed through revelation. And it was revealed through Baha'u'llah that
> > would be no more genocide, burning of books or shunning of other religious
> > communities. And He explicitly mentioned the incident involving the Banu
> > Qurayzah in this context.
>
> > " Muhammad marrying
> > Aishah was a unique event."
> >
> > I don't think so. I think child marriages weren't all that uncommon then.
>
> You don't understand. I didn't say "child marriages are unique". I
> said the specific action of Muhammad (saaws) the prophet marrying
> Aishah (ra) the mother of the believers was a unique event. If I had a
> daughter who was nine and some guy came around trying to propose
> marriage, that would be a different event and there are reasonable
> considerations which would allow a good orthodox Muslim to say "Hell
> no! you must be crazy" while accepting the marriage of the prophet to
> Aishah. That's what I'm saying.
>
> > > realize that Muslims take the opposite position.
>
> > "Where do you get that from? We've already had this discussion before.
> > Our society is different now. I don't think a Muslim needs to convert
> > to the Bahai faith to be able to say that today maybe people should
> > get married at an older age than they did 1000 years ago."
>
> > You may not think so but those calling the shots in Islamic governments take
> > the opposite position.
>
> Firstly, Islam isn't defined by the policies of "Islamic" governments.
>
> > If they prophet married a girl at a certain age, then
> > that should be the age of majority for girls.
>
> You are oversimplifying. In principle, maturity begins with puberty,
> although there are at times upper and lower limits to address the
> problems of late bloomers and early starters (respectively).
>
> > If you imagine ethics and
> > morality as divorced from time and place, that would certainly be the
> > logical conclusion.
>
> You are being really insulting. Age isn't the only consideration in marriage.
>
> > > If Muhammad treated a
> > > nine-year old girl as an adult, then this should be the age of
> > > majority for
> > > women for all time.
> >
> > I think you have a really crude idea about Islamic law. Scholars who
> > arrive at legal rulings ideally take into account many different
> > considerations before evaluating an action."
> >
> > It is not my idea about Islamic law. It is the position which has been taken
> > by the Iranian government. Would you like me to show you the documentation?
>
> Islam is defined by the Quran and the sunnah not by the policies of
> the Iranian government.
>
>
> -Gilberto
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