On 1/25/06, Scott Saylors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> More side-stepping . . . . why not a yes, or a no?
You didn't ask a yes or no question.
-Gilberto
> Gilberto Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't know what the Orthodox Bahai take on it is but I would imagine
> that since this statement was written before the mainstream Universal
> House of Justice was formed, an Orthodox Bahai might argue that there
> is some ambiguity in terms of which institution Abdul-Baha is refering
> to.
>
> Also, I'm not sure about currently, but part of the argument is that
> Remey was appointed President of the First International Bahai Council
> (Which they argue is essentially makes him Guardian of the Universal
> House of Justice) And then Joel Bray Marangella was appointed head of
> the Second International Bahai Council. So I guess the Orthodox Bahais
> might say that your quote from Abdul-Baha refers to their institutions
> and not yours.
>
> But that's just speculation.
>
> -Gilberto
>
> On 1/25/06, Scott Saylors wrote:
> >
> > Given this statement by Abdu'l Baha - whom the "Orthodox" Baha`i's
> > unfailingly accept:
> >
> > ""He has ordained and established the House of Justice which is endowed
> with
> > > a political as well as a religious function, the consummate union and
> > > blending of church and state. This institution 248 is under the
> protecting
> > > ! power of Bahá'u'lláh Himself. A universal or international House of
> > Justice
> > > shall also be organized. Its rulings shall be in accordance with the
> > > commands and teachings of Bahá'u'lláh! , and that which the universal
> > House
> > > of Justice ordains shall be obeyed by all mankind. This international
> > House
> > > of Justice shall be appointed and organized from the Houses of Justice
> of> > the whole world, and all the world shall come under its
> administration.""
> > > (Abdu'l-Baha, Baha'i World Faith - Abdu'l-Baha Section, p. 247)
> >
> > How can that be considered any! LESS declarative than the verse from the
> > Qur'an you offered to show that bowing toward Mecca was the only
> acceptable
> > Islamic practice?
> >
> >
> > Gilberto Simpson wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I think that even among non-Muslims, it is pretty uncontraversial that
> > "Muslims pray facing Mecca". However, speaking as a non-Bahai, it is
> > NOT really obvious that Orthodox Bahais or groups like them should be
> > considered non-Bahais.
> >
> > -Gilberto
> >
> > I would offer that you are dead wrong in this statement.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Scott
> >
> >
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