Valid points, too.  I thought of that myself - but this article is not 
written by me.  I merely posted it.  You did realize that, didn't you?

Z T Minhas wrote:
>
>
> Certain people from the left should just shut the hell up....
>
>> AS SOCIALISTS, we support the right of oppressed peoples to fight for 
>> self-determination unreservedly, just as we oppose imperialism, 
>> without caveat.
> The soviet uniuon invaded afghanistan in 1979.... not a whimper from 
> international socialists,... and encouraged by Afghan communists....
>>
>> This perspective is generally accepted by the left without question 
>> in contexts such as Latin America or Africa, where bitter fights 
>> against U.S. and European imperialism have been fought and, in some 
>> cases, won.
> But not Russian imperialism
>>
>> Yet, when it comes to the Middle East and Afghanistan today there is 
>> suddenly much less clarity about what radicals and Marxists should be 
>> saying. Nowhere is that more evident than in the case of Afghanistan, 
>> which has suffered under the yoke of U.S. imperialism since 2001 
>> (with active U.S. interference in the country since at least the 1970s).
> Ah yes... the bastards show their true colors... Russia INVADED 
> Afghanistn killing millions.. and American involvement in getting them 
> out was called an interference... where are my brass knuckles... i 
> need to find me a commie... especially an Afghan or Paki commie!!!
>
> Z T
>
>
> Linda G. Richard wrote:
>>
>>
>>     Should the left call for Taliban victory?
>>
>>
>> Socialist Worker
>>
>>
>> AS SOCIALISTS, we support the right of oppressed peoples to fight for 
>> self-determination unreservedly, just as we oppose imperialism, 
>> without caveat.
>>
>> This perspective is generally accepted by the left without question 
>> in contexts such as Latin America or Africa, where bitter fights 
>> against U.S. and European imperialism have been fought and, in some 
>> cases, won.
>>
>> Yet, when it comes to the Middle East and Afghanistan today there is 
>> suddenly much less clarity about what radicals and Marxists should be 
>> saying. Nowhere is that more evident than in the case of Afghanistan, 
>> which has suffered under the yoke of U.S. imperialism since 2001 
>> (with active U.S. interference in the country since at least the 1970s).
>>
>> The idea that the Taliban, as a movement fighting against U.S. 
>> occupation, is a force we should be supporting is, unfortunately, a 
>> somewhat controversial position to hold, even on the far left. This 
>> is a serious mistake and speaks both to the extent to which 
>> Islamophobia has penetrated the left, as well as to the lack of 
>> understanding of the social dynamics of an oppressed and devastated 
>> country like Afghanistan.
>>
>> We are all familiar with the lies and excuses used to justify the 
>> invasion and occupation of Afghanistan in the wake of the September 
>> 11 attacks. Bush and his coterie of crooks and warmongers told us 
>> that only a military invasion could liberate the people, and 
>> especially the women, of Afghanistan from the brutal, misogynistic 
>> and "medieval" Taliban movement.
>>
>> There was no mention, of course, of the substantial support offered 
>> to the Taliban regime in the late 1990s when Clinton was president 
>> and in the early days of the Bush presidency, nor of the long and 
>> ugly history of U.S. intervention in Central and South Asia, which 
>> was an important precondition for the rise of Islamism.
>>
>> We should condemn unreservedly the oppression of women and the 
>> general social conservatism of the pre-2001 Taliban regime, as well, 
>> of course, as their efforts to cut deals with regional and global 
>> superpowers against the interests of the vast majority of Afghans. 
>> However, we must also unreservedly condemn the racism and 
>> Islamophobia used as an ideological fig leaf to justify invasion and 
>> imperialism, and it is the left's weakness on this issue, which has 
>> blinded many to the new realities on the ground in Afghanistan.
>>
>> Before addressing the important question of who the Taliban actually 
>> are, it is important to understand the material conditions Afghans 
>> face. Afghanistan is a devastated country. It is ranked at or near 
>> the bottom of a broad range of social indicators, such as levels of 
>> poverty, infant mortality, literacy, per capita income, prevalence of 
>> easily preventable diseases and so forth. Most major cities in 
>> Afghanistan, including the capital Kabul, are in ruins (despite 
>> claims of "reconstruction" by NATO imperialists) and decent roads, 
>> electricity, clean water, sanitation and basic social services are 
>> unheard of for most of the population, especially in the rural areas. 
>> The majority of the population ekes out a living on a subsistence 
>> basis, and the struggle for survival is the overarching concern for 
>> most Afghans.
>>
>> In a nutshell, there is no Afghan working class or progressive petit 
>> bourgeoisie to speak of, and the major social classes (aside from the 
>> puppet regime and it's assortment of bandits and thugs) are the poor 
>> peasantry and the Islamic clergy.
>>
>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>
>> THE SIGNIFICANCE of this to a discussion of anti-imperialist 
>> resistance in Afghanistan should be obvious to any serious historical 
>> materialist. This question cannot be thought about in the abstract, 
>> it must be considered in light of the material realities on the 
>> ground. Such realities necessarily shape the kinds of social forces 
>> and the character of class struggle in that country and make it 
>> highly likely that any grassroots resistance will have a strongly 
>> religious character, given that the rural clergy are the only force 
>> capable of uniting the peasantry against the comprador ruling class.
>>
>> The following point cannot be stressed enough; whilst the U.S. 
>> remains in Afghanistan, economic and social development will not 
>> occur much beyond current levels. This in turn means that the 
>> Taliban, as a broad-based movement of poor farmers and lower clergy, 
>> is the face of anti-imperialist resistance in Afghanistan for the 
>> foreseeable future.
>>
>> To put it another way, if we, as avowed anti-imperialists, intend to 
>> wait around for a resistance movement that agrees with us on every 
>> issue, including the need to fight the oppression of women, gays, 
>> racial and religious minorities, etc., we'll be waiting a long time. 
>> The Taliban is the resistance in Afghanistan and we must support it, 
>> critically, but unreservedly.
>>
>> The Taliban that ruled Afghanistan prior to the U.S. invasion no 
>> longer exists. The U.S. and NATO routinely refer to any act of 
>> resistance as the work of the "Taliban" (meaning the followers of 
>> Mullah Omar), much as every act of resistance in Iraq was the work of 
>> "Baath loyalists."
>>
>> To be sure, there are attacks being carried out by people who support 
>> the former regime, but many, perhaps most, resistance fighters have 
>> no particular loyalty to the former leadership and some are actively 
>> hostile to it.
>>
>> Anand Gopal, one of the few independent journalists actively trying 
>> to find out what is actually happening in Afghanistan has written 
>> some very useful and insightful work on this, and as he points out, 
>> the ranks of the Taliban have been swelled in recent years by rural 
>> peasants who have been radicalized as a result of US/NATO brutality, 
>> including the indiscriminate air attacks which have killed thousands 
>> of Afghans.
>>
>> The Taliban are increasingly espousing a strong nationalist message 
>> and, in some cases, have substantially moderated their social 
>> conservatism in order to build a more broad-based and effective 
>> resistance movement.
>>
>> It is also the case that the "Taliban" is effectively a blanket term 
>> for a coalition of groups, some drawn from the tiny strata of 
>> educated middle class Afghans, which aim to eject foreign troops from 
>> their country. In short, when the U.S. and its allies use the term 
>> "Taliban" they want us to think of public stonings, music bans and 
>> ultra-conservative clerics--and if we follow their lead we do a grave 
>> disservice to the Afghan resistance and only help to perpetuate 
>> Islamophobic caricatures of "crazed, bearded extremists."
>>
>> There is no fundamental difference between the liberation theology 
>> movements in South America and the popular Islamist resistance 
>> movements in the Middle East and Asia, movements such as Hezbollah, 
>> Hamas and the Taliban. To be sure, the former were less socially 
>> conservative, but as religiously colored grassroots resistance 
>> movements they are essentially the same kind of manifestation of 
>> class resistance.
>>
>> The left needs to ask itself why it is much more critical of Muslims 
>> expressing class anger in a religious form than of South American 
>> Christians; to my mind, unexamined Islamophobia explains much of this 
>> discrepancy.
>>
>> Every U.S. and NATO tank that the Taliban destroy, every 
>> Karzai-appointed stooge they assassinate and every town or village 
>> they liberate is a victory for our side and a grievous blow to U.S. 
>> imperialism--we would do well to remember that and to offer our 
>> solidarity and support for a Taliban victory in Afghanistan.
>>
>> Nick K., from the Internet
>>
>> Link: http://www.uruknet.de/?s1=1&p=57087&s2=19 
>> <http://www.uruknet.de/?s1=1&p=57087&s2=19>.
>> -- 
>> Linda
>> *http://freedetainees.org <http://freedetainees.org/>
>> "If we shadows have offended, Think but this,
>> and all is mended, That you have but slumber'd
>> here While these visions did appear..."
>> - William Shakespeare
>> *
>>
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-- 
Linda
*http://freedetainees.org <http://freedetainees.org/>
"If we shadows have offended, Think but this,
and all is mended, That you have but slumber'd
here While these visions did appear..."
- William Shakespeare
*


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