I will send that again, via my Yahoo mail. I don't understand why the messages from one of my mail addresses gets garbled on the LSA list with added signs, corresponding to the line spaces (and also has a sort of ginger-bread man emblem appears); while the other has all its paragragh spaces removed. I wonder what setting one should use to avoid this happening? Dear David Yes, I have been using a metronome, and intuitively thinking of the ornaments as divisions, but I did not think of playing the ornaments by themselves. I will definitely give that a go. Yes, it is often quite difficult to play at half measure, a little like slow motion walking, but it does facilitate more detailed analysis. Listening to Satoh's playing at about half speed also allowed me to tr= y to capture the idea of "inegal" rhtyhm with a sort of "scat" singing= syllable system. I found that incredibly helpful, but of course it is not a universal-type system, probably only works for me, and may be different on every piece. Thanks for the advice Anthony On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:54 AM, <anthony.h...@noos.fr> wrote: problem I have been finding most difficult is fitting the ornamentation in with the basic rhythmic structure. Write the ornaments out in rhythm. Start simple: two eight notes to divide one quarter. Or a quarter and and eight note to dive a dotted quarter. Then four sixteenth for one quarter. Play in time. Then try six 'sixtuplets' in one quarter. Play in time. Make that your starting point for a more free interpretation in which you can speed up or slow down the ornament. A metronome is a useful tool: set it on quarter or even eight notes to practice the ornament in strict rhythm. Take your time, practice slowly, speed will come later. Set the metronome at half measure (or whatever is appropriate in the piece) to practice the freedom in the ornament after which you should land on the beat again. Practice slowly and precisely, play fast and freely. David
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