Dear Grzegorz,
it might be possible, that there are other portraits/engravings of
Weiss, but we don't know.
Hoffmann wrote about the engraving of Weiss, that was published as
frontispiz in the "Bibliothek ..." and he writes about an engraving by
Folin on a portrait of Denner.
As the engraving by Folin/Denner is included in the "Bibliothek" these
seem to be the same.
But: It is true, that we cannot be sure, if there is another engraving,
that shows another cut-off of the engraving. Possible, but a little bit
of fiction also, as we don't know at the moment any engraving of Weiss
that is different from the Bibliothek-engraving.
And in my eyes Hoffmann doesn't seem to be a good witness for this.
Other documents that speak of another portrait of Weiss I don't know.
Another thing is, that we have a picture of the young Johann Sigismund
Weiss in "/Le portrait du vrai mérite dans la personne serenissime de
Monseigneur L'Electeur Palatin" by /Giorgio Maria/Rapparini/.
And I also found in Gerber, that there was once a portrait in pastel of
Adolf Faustinus Weiss, the son of S.L.Weiss, in the library of Hiller.
Best regards
Markus
Am 11.07.2011 01:05, schrieb Grzegorz Joachimiak:
Dear Bernhard and Markus,
I would like to add that I searched also others engraving portraits of Weiss by Folino. I think
that very interesting things are so-called "independent" engraving (not included in
"Neue Bibliothek der schönen Wissenschaften ...", Vol. 1, 1765). These informations wrote
in Singer's catalogue (H. W. Singer, Allgemeiner Bildniskatalog, Leipzig 1934, no. 95597). One copy
was/is (?) in Vienna National Library, two copies were/are in Dresden, one copy was in
Breslau/Wroclaw-Stadtbibliothek Breslau
(now in Wroclaw University Library) and one (no mentioned by Singer) is in
Paris National Library.
Probably an engraving from Stadtbibliothek Breslau is actually in Ossolinski National
Institute, Department of Prints (Graphic). Look at
http://www2.oss.wroc.pl/index.php/english/ (there are only my presumption based on the
same possessor's name who had collection of engravings from Stadtbibliothek Breslau.
Engraving preserved in "Ossolineum" contains in paper no provenance sign, so I
can not be sure). These engravings were obtained and than sold after 2nd World War by Mr.
Zdzislaw
Szczyglowski from Raciborz (germ. Ratibor). Department of Prints (Graphic) in Wroclaw
University Library also bought graphics in auction from Mr. Szczyglowski from Raciborz so
I thought that probably there was the same person who sold in auction
"independent" engraving with Weiss's portrait to Ossolineum. Actually in
Wroclaw University Library we could find only index card connected of engraving with
Weiss's portrait from Stadtbibliothek Breslau. I wrote short article about these things
(cf.
semi-annual Polish magazine about baroque history, literature, art: "Barok" 17
(2010) no. 2, pp. 97-105:
http://www.neriton.apnet.pl/product_info.php?cPath=47&products_id=643 ).
In Ossolinski National Institute I found others engraving by Folino. In Warsaw Gallery
called "Na Tlumackiem" existed among others things two portraits of musicians
by Denner: J. A. Hasse and G. F. Haendel. Unfortunately this gallery actually is not
exist and we do not know where is this collection now (A. Ryszkiewicz, Kolekcjonerzy i
milosnicy, Warszawa 1981). By Folino in Ossolinski National Institute, Department of
Prints in Wroclaw (Ossolineum) I found also similar manner of Folino's
engraving technique like portrait of Weiss: e.g. portrait of Stanislaw August
with Ciolek coat of arms, bust of Adam Naruszewicz and Maciej Kazimierz
Sarbiewski (follow by medallion from 1770).
Best wishes
Grzegorz
Dnia 10-07-2011 o godz. 22:04 Markus Lutz napisał(a):
Dear Bernhard,
no there isn't any further portrait of Weiss, only the picture by Denner
and the engraving of this portrait.
It's true, that Hoffmann writes about three, but the engraving in the
"Neue Bibliothek der schönen Wissenschaften ...", Vol. 1, 1765, is the
engraving by Folin! So he is wrong.
On the following site you will find a digital copy of the complete volume:
http://scout.ub.uni-potsdam.de/fea/digbib/view?did=c1:209&p=1
But the quality of the copy, especially of the engraving is very poor.
Also on http://www.tabulatura.com you will find a better copy of it.
Kenneth Sparr writes there:
"Silvius Leopold Weiss. Copper engraving [1765] by Bartolomeo Folino
[1730-after 1808] , after a painting (c. 1740), now lost, by Balthasar
Denner [1685-1749].
This engraving (a copy of which is in the author's collection) was
included in the first volume of Neuen Bibliothek der schönen
Wissenschaften und freyen Künste, Leipzig 1765. The reasons for dating
the original painting to c. 1740 is that it shows Weiss in his "mature"
years and that Denner in 1740 also portrayed Johann Adolf Hasse, who was
the leader of the court orchestra at Dresden. It is hardly likely that
the engraving was made before 1750 as Weiss died that year and Folino
was but 20 years old. Folino was born in Venice and died in Warsaw."
Best regards
Markus
Am 10.07.2011 18:06, schrieb Bernhard Hofstoetter:
Dear lute netters,
Carl J. A. Hoffmann's "The musicians/composers of Silesia" ("Die
Tonkünstler
Schlesiens"), published in Breslau in 1830, contains an entry on Weiss,
both
Silvius and Siegmund.
The last two sentences in the article on S.L. Weiss, in my translation,
read as
follows:
"His picture is in the library of fine arts. There is also another one, in
octavo format, which has been drawn by Denner and engraved by Folin."
(German
original: "Sein Bildniß befindet sich in der Bibliothek der schönen
Wissenschaften. Auch giebt es noch ein anderes in Oktav, gezeichnet von
Denner,
gestochen von Folin.")
It seems to me that the second sentence refers to the well-known
engraving by
Folin which is based on the lost painting/drawing by Denner.
The first sentence, however, apparently refers to another portrait by a
painter
whose name is not given.
Is Hoffmann the only source suggesting that such other portrait ever
existed?
Can anyone shed light on this matter?
Bernhard
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