I forgot to mention that the lute music of John Wilson, a sort of "well-tempered lute neck" cycle passing through very unusual tonalities for the instrument, is available in facsimile in "English Song, 1600 - 1675, Facsimile of Twenty-six Manuscripts and an Edition of the Texts" vol. 7, Manuscripts at Oxford, Part II. There is an introduction by Elise Bickfoer Jorgens and it is published by Garland Publishing Inc., New York and London, 1987.
All the best, Jean-Marie ================================= == En réponse au message du 01-12-2011, 03:27:05 == > One of the things that is really intersting about John Wilson is that > he wrote a series of fantasties in all (many?) keys. These re for > English theorbo with the first string down an octave. I think Paul > O'Dette recorded a few of them on a CD he made with Ellen Hargis. > Nancy > > Thanks for that, Jean-Marie. I knew about Mace's theorbo, though > I'm > not familiar with John Wilson's music. I wonder if you could tell > us > more, or perhaps give a reference to look it up? > I was wondering, in particular, if it was ever done with some of > the > large 11- or 13- course baroque lutes of the type that we mostly > use to > play solos. > Bill > From: Jean-Marie Poirier <jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr> > To: William Samson <willsam...@yahoo.co.uk> > Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2011, 18:27 > Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A=392 > What about John Wilson's music in manuscript Mus B1 from the > Bodleian > library in Oxford ? And what about Thomas Mace, contemporary with > Wilson, who writes about the "Theorboe" in his 'Musick's > Monument' : " > The Theorboe is no other than That which we call'd the Old > English > Lute" and a few lines further he writes : > "...by the reason of the Largenesse of It, we are constrain'd to > make > use of an Octave Treble-String, that is of a Thick String, which > stands > Eight Notes Lower, than the String of a Smaller Lute, (for no > Strings > can be made so Strong, that will stand to the Pitch of Consort, > upon > such Large Sciz'd Lutes"... (Mace's spelling, not mine ;-)) > Clear enough, isn't it? That WAS done ! > All the best, > Jean-Marie > ================================= > == En reponse au message du 30-11-2011, 19:09:30 == > > >For most players, pitch was a given. If you lived in London > in > 1720 > > and the local pitch was A=410, you tuned your lute to A=410 or > you > > couldn't play with other instrumentalists else, which would > make you > > useless as a musician. > > Not necessarily that straightforward - Suppose you had a lute > with > 76cm > > scale or even some smaller ones - You'd never get a gut top > string > up > > to f' (a410) before it broke. I would think you'd be stuck > with > > transposing all the time or just playing solo music. Another > solution > > (that would preclude solo music) would be to drop the top > string an > > octave, rather like a theorbo. I wouldn't be at all surprised > if > that > > was done, though I can't remember any source that mentions it. > > > > Bill > > > > -- > > > > > >To get on or off this list see list information at > >[1][1] http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > ======================================== > -- > References > 1. [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > Nancy Carlin Associates > P.O. Box 6499 > Concord, CA 94524 USA > phone 925/686-5800 fax 925/680-2582 > web sites - [3]www.nancycarlinassociates.com > [4]www.groundsanddivisions.info > Representing: > FROM WALES - Crasdant & Carreg Lafar, FROM ENGLAND - Jez Lowe & Jez > Lowe & The Bad Pennies, and now representing EARLY MUSIC - The Venere > Lute Quartet, The Good Pennyworths & Morrongiello & Young > Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA > web site - [5]http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org > -- > >References > > 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > 3. http://www.nancycarlinassociates.com/ > 4. http://www.groundsanddivisions.info/ > 5. http://lutesocietyofamerica.org/ > ========================================
