Hello Max, I think business decisions follow that path to avoid ending up in a niche area where it would be terribly difficult to employ a replacement once a/the developer has left. Perhaps also pointing out that there are standards and perhaps that it's not too difficult to learn would help to allay fears?
hth adil On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 03:06:59PM +0100, Maximilian Gärber wrote: > Hi, > > I really like this thread! Keep the arguments coming! ;-) > > I am not saying that XQuery is just another query language. But if > somebody (who has never heard anything about XQuery) is asking about > your technological choice then telling them that XQuery is so special > and unique is counter-productive. > > Because business decisions are always the same when it comes to > technology: they want this warm and fuzzy feeling that you are running > on mainstream stuff. > > > Br, > Max > > > > > 2017-02-24 12:56 GMT+01:00 Hans-Juergen Rennau <hren...@yahoo.de>: > > To put it mildly, I disagree. I think the greatest mistake one can make is > > call XQuery a query language. I prefer to say that it is an information > > language. If this appears to be an incomprehensible statement, this reflects > > the novelty of the concept of an "information language". A book should be > > written about it. Which points to my ... > > > > second disagreement, which concerns your statement that there is nothing > > special about XQuery. I think XQuery is unique, as it is (or am I wrong?) > > the first and only general-purpose programming language which is a pure > > expression language built upon the ground of a value model centered in the > > concept of resources composed of globally addressable, interrelated > > information (i.e. nodes). > > > > With kind regards, > > Hans-Jürgen > > > > > > Maximilian Gärber <mgaer...@arcor.de> schrieb am 21:36 Donnerstag, > > 23.Februar 2017: > > > > > > Hi Marco, > > > > from my experience, the best way to handle these types of arguments is > > to make clear that there is nothing 'special' about XQuery. It is a > > query language. > > > > If you have to compare BaseX to something that most Java developers > > will know, I'd use Hibernate and HQL, a library and DSL that is all > > about querying data(bases). > > > > For C# developers, LINQ would probably ring a bell. > > > > Of course there is a lot more to it, and when it comes to web > > applications, you can use it in almost every layer (templating, > > routing, storage, etc). > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Max > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2017-02-22 13:43 GMT+01:00 Marco Lettere <m.lett...@gmail.com>: > >> Hi to everyone, > >> > >> probably this is not the right place for such a discussion but the BaseX > >> communitiy is the one I'm better introduced to and the one I trust the > >> most. > >> So I hope that this somewhat unusual excursus will anyway be of interest > >> to > >> some of you. > >> > >> As for myself I fell in love with XQuery and its power in terms of data > >> manipulation many years ago. I wouldn't change it with anything else and > >> BTW > >> we're using it (thanks to the incredible BaseX runtime) much beyond > >> data-processing being it the backbone of all our micro-service oriented > >> architectures. > >> > >> Now, to the point, in the near future I probably will be called to face a > >> somewhat skeptical customer who will argue about the technological choice > >> of > >> XQuery. > >> > >> My point will be to make a comparison with the technologies they're > >> currently using and I would like to demonstrate that for a rather XML- > >> (and > >> in general data-) intensive workflow XQuery is perfectly suitable and > >> probably better than many other alternatives. > >> > >> I would tend to exclude XSLT because it would face similar opposition. I > >> would also exclude languages at a lower level of abstraction like Java, > >> Python, Javascript, C/C++ and so on for obvious architectural reasons. > >> > >> But then only templating languages/engines come to my mind. Those would > >> still be probably novel technologies to learn and wouldn't offer the > >> structural, syntactic and semantic power of XQuery anyway. > >> > >> So I ask you kindly, in order to complete my preparation on these matters, > >> is there anyone that has experience with other tools or languages that can > >> be compared with XQuery when used for XML querying, generation, > >> transformation, templating, composition and so on? > >> > >> Thanks a lot! > >> > >> Marco. > >> > > > >
