Circuitco, breaks even, barely. Beagleboard.org makes no money at all. TI, well they make a little of the chips, but provides no funding for BeagleBoard.org.
Anyone willing to donate some funds so we can fund some SW developers? Gerald On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Terry Storm <terrystor...@gmail.com> wrote: > Great discussion. > > My main issue with this whole system is that its designed for Hobbyists > and Developers. Yes developers who know what they are doing can work > through issues and develop what they require. Hobbyists however, not so > much, obviously depending on the skill of the hobbyist though. > I am a hobbyist, never touched linux on embedded devices before, only > played with linux on a PC for as many hours as I have fingers. I brought a > LCD4 and a BBB to start with thinking they would both work together and the > 'advertised' OS would work 'correctly'. I had touch related issues along > with many more, basically rendering the combo useless to do anything > without an external mouse, which defeated the whole purpose of what I was > trying to achieve. Various issues were fixed over the next few months > however the touch issues remained. I then brought a LCD7, and then the > 4DCAPE-43T and 4DCAPE-70T, but all had the same touch issues, no doubt > stemming from a common cause. None of these boards will do what I want, > which is simply to have a working OS with touch screen capability. I > wouldn't have thought that was too much to ask for. > > I know of many people/companies who have brought BBB's and LCD Capes and > wanted to develop systems for them, but due to the OS being so buggy and > touch not working correctly, along with other issues, the companies have > had to move to another platforms. These companies have linux developers, > however not developers who could modify the kernel or write improved > drivers, they could write applications to suit their company that run on > Linux. Like what was mentioned above by Mike, you have to have a stable OS > in order for companies/individuals to write applications on. Since we dont > have that, and 90% of people dont have the skills or know-how to fix OS > related problems, or write drivers or modify the kernel etc to fix issues > before they can even get started. > > Personally I think that is a bit rough and harsh to expect people to have > to do that. > > Yes its open source, however you still need a base to work from that > actually works. > > I would actually say I purchased the BBB and capes with incorrect > information, or to an extent 'false advertising', as these really are not > suited to hobbyists. If you have a BBB and want to blink an LED or do some > simple Arduino type things with IO, then sure, that is all hobbyist level. > > Rant over. > > Just think the whole situation sucks to an extent. Circuitco/Ti/who ever > is making money, should be putting money back into software development so > all the thousands of people who purchased these things and expected some > sort of stable system out of the box, or their capes to work as advertised, > have working systems they can then build on. > > No doubt I will get 'flamed' for what I have written also. > > Terry > > > > > On 31 December 2013 03:35, David Lambert <d...@lambsys.com> wrote: > >> Excellent summary Paulo. I would add one level: >> 0) Novice user level - Expects a shrink wrapped system to just work >> like Windows, but without the crashes ;) >> >> A very Happy New Year to all, >> >> Dave. >> >> >> >> On 12/30/2013 03:13 AM, Paulo Ferreira wrote: >> >>> On 30/12/2013, at 02:03, Mike Bremford <m...@bfo.com> wrote: >>> >>> Where is this documented? And why should I care? The above two >>>> paragraphs are unintelligible to anyone that hasn't been involved in >>>> embedded Linux for some time. >>>> >>>> >>> It seems you are "barking at the wrong tree". >>> >>> Unix is a tool. A powerful tool. As all powerful tools, power should >>> come after some knowledge and practice. >>> >>> Think of a razor sharp kitchen knife, a chainsaw, an arc welding >>> machine, a forklift, a pickup truck. All those are examples of very useful >>> tools, but they only can be used in a productive way, after some practice >>> time, and after having acquired some knowledge about how they work, and >>> how to use them correctly. >>> >>> >>> The standard phrase is that Unix is very user friendly, but picky about >>> the friends... >>> >>> You can approach Unix at several levels: >>> >>> 1) User level - command line use of the Unix utilities, and >>> understanding of shell scripts >>> 2) Admin level - know how to manage users, programs, networking >>> 3) Programmer - know the POSIX programming model and all the UNIX >>> programming tools (config, make, gcc, etc...) >>> 4) Kernel developer - all of the previous ones + how to compile a kernel >>> >>> >>> If you want to work with BeagleBone, you must at least understand that >>> many people are doing all those levels on the cutting edge of technology, >>> and that knowledge takes time, because you need to make things, to >>> understand how they work. >>> >>> >>> The saddest thing, is that people want "things done" (or instant >>> gratification) without "being involved". Open Source does not work that >>> way, and most important, life does not work that way. >>> >>> In order to do things, in order to get what you want, you need to >>> involve yourself. >>> >>> >>> Happy New Year to All >>> >>> Paulo Ferreira >>> >>> >> -- >> For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss >> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in >> the Google Groups "BeagleBoard" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ >> topic/beagleboard/WYrk-JUAkbM/unsubscribe. >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > -- > For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "BeagleBoard" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BeagleBoard" group. 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