Well said Gerald! The BBB is so much more than just a reference design.
It has been instantiated at a very low cost. I get sick when I hear of
so much crap being thrown at the team, just because its huge success has
caused some supply issues.
Rant over.
Dave.
On 05/29/2014 08:00 AM, Gerald Coley wrote:
I gave you the design for free. All the schematics, CAD files, and
BOM. You are free to build it yourself at any place you want. There is
no NRE charge. No license.
Sorry that I can't be your personal engineering and manufacturing
operation.
Gerald
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 7:50 AM, Eric Fort <eric.f...@gmail.com
<mailto:eric.f...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hey, wait! Gerald does not suck! Gerald, and the entire beagleboard
team are awesome and totally rock! We as a community probably give
Gerald the most workload and highest amount of stress though. Yes, we
have been given a great foundation in beagle on which to build. If
you need something substantially more custom you've got much of the
work already completed, and any rework and redesign not only is your
own but really ought be contributed back to the community as well (if
you do a derivitive work of the board rather than a clean sheet)
Eric
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 4:38 AM, David Farning <dfarn...@gmail.com
<mailto:dfarn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I agree completely.
>
> With the understanding that there are shops which can do small
custom
> orders at reasonable prices, the conversation shifts from
> BeagleBoard.orc / Circuit Co / Gerald sucks for not meeting my
> specific needs... to how can I build on the foundation that
> BeagleBoard.org et. al have laid to needs.
>
> David
>
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 11:58 PM, Eric Fort <eric.f...@gmail.com
<mailto:eric.f...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> While CircuitCo incurs some risk in expanding production
capacity on a
>> board that "anyone can step in and manufacture a clone" of, and
>> Embedest *is* making a clone of as a second source I will still
hold
>> out when purchasing beagleboard products for those sourced from
>> CircuitCo as their quality has always been consistant and of the
>> highest degree and their servive has been excellent. So long as
>> others make the same observation that does help lessen some of the
>> risk.
>>
>> As far as getting circa 100 boards made, I know there are shops
that
>> will do single quantities and with that the case a quantity of
100 is
>> not unreasonable, just gotta shop around a bit. I may know a few
>> places to get you going so if interested, pm me. then
again.... at a
>> qty of 100
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/BB-BBLK-100/BB-BBLK-100-REVC-ND/4842545
>> may be an option.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 6:19 PM, David Farning
<dfarn...@gmail.com <mailto:dfarn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Some shops are really good at churning out small (100 to
10,000 units)
>>> runs of a product. They have perfected the art of retooling
the line.
>>>
>>> In the current situation, it appears that our beaglebone
friends are
>>> in the process of convincing the money people to make the
investment
>>> to increase manufacturing capacity. The new equipment required to
>>> increase capacity costs serious money.
>>>
>>> When one considers that the BBB is open and anyone can step in and
>>> manufacture a clone and bypass then R&D costs TI and Circuit
Co have
>>> already invested, the risks start getting pretty high.
>>>
>>> What might seemed antagonizing slow to us on the outside, requires
>>> serious thought and planing on the inside. It can be
challenging to
>>> communicate this when companies work as part of communities.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 6:32 PM, William Hermans
<yyrk...@gmail.com <mailto:yyrk...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> Gerald, I am just curious. Hypothetically speaking, what
would it take to
>>>> retool to make a custom board ? I am not looking for an "IN"
or anything I
>>>> am just curious. I'm thinking it would be a huge hassle to
say the least.
>>>>
>>>> I've never worked in a PCB fab before, but worked for a CNC
shop many moons
>>>> ago, and retooling for even the most basic part ( door lock
keyways ), would
>>>> take a full day or two just for the setup, and a week or
slightly longer to
>>>> shake out the bugs. Meanwhile, the company is "losing" money
until things
>>>> are running smoothly again.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Gerald Coley
<ger...@beagleboard.org <mailto:ger...@beagleboard.org>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 100 boards is not a lot of boards. Especially when you have
distributors
>>>>> screaming for 50,000 boards to fill their large POs..
>>>>>
>>>>> Gerald
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 3:38 PM, sixvolts
<drewko...@gmail.com <mailto:drewko...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are plenty of things that get built and sold in those
kinds of
>>>>>> numbers, like specialized instruments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 3:33:49 PM UTC-5, Robert P. J.
Day wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 28 May 2014, sixvolts wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > I've been trying to talk to the people CircuitCo about
building a
>>>>>>> > run of the beaglebone black boards for a commercial
project, but I
>>>>>>> > can't seem to get anyone to respond to emails and the
two people I
>>>>>>> > have phone numbers for are always busy. My understanding
was that
>>>>>>> > proper etiquette was to not poach boards from the
distributors if
>>>>>>> > you build a device around the beaglebone and have them
produced for
>>>>>>> > you. I even spoke to someone at a CircuitCo booth at a
conference
>>>>>>> > last year (DesignWest - where the beaglebone black was
"launched")
>>>>>>> > and they indicated this was common already for the original
>>>>>>> > beagleboards/bones.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > I can't get anyone local interested in building them
because of some
>>>>>>> > of the minimum order quantities on some of the parts
(like the
>>>>>>> > emmc).
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Anyone at CircuitCo around? I have money and need around
100 boards
>>>>>>> > made.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> not many manufacturers would consider 100 units much of
a "run".
>>>>>>> that's not the sort of number that's going to get you much
attention.
>>>>>>> just an observation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> rday
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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