Guys, I really think that the best way is not to charge fee, but take donations. And that money goes to maintain servers. And maybe something like U$1 in beagle price to also maintain severs. But the main point here get the input from community.
Thanks -- Lucas A. Tanure Alves +55 (19) 988176559 On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 8:01 PM, Don deJuan <donjuans...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 07/06/2014 03:08 PM, William Hermans wrote: > > Well I was not implying anything shady. There are many people here who > have spent time on projects related to the community, and it could be > considered fair for them to be compensated. Passed that there are other > individuals who take advantage, and make money off all of these others > peoples ideas, while completely depleting hardware stock world wide. By > this, I mean people selling products based off of beagle designs. > > Is this right or wrong ? Then if wrong, how do you deal with it ? I > honestly do not know, but the more I think about it the more it seems like > a lose - lose situation for everyone. > > There is also much more to consider. For example: Servers that provide > documentation, working images, etc need to be paid for, and maintained. So > who really needs to pay for this ? > > If you think about it, the people who need the documentation need to pay > for it. However, even people working in / for a non profit organization can > / do get paid. > > Not a very simple situation to consider is it ? > > > > On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Don deJuan <donjuans...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 07/06/2014 12:27 PM, William Hermans wrote: >> >> Forgive me if I'm off topic, or speaking to a different point. But I >> keep seeing mention of "fees". So, as an example, I used to get paid $50( >> price would be much higher now days ) / hr as a security / systems >> consultant, and in light of this, where is my fee for helping the community >> ? >> >> Yeah yeah, relax I'm not asking for money this is just a flip of the >> script so to speak. Also I am not purporting that I personally deserve >> special treatment or anything of that nature. However, there *are* a great >> deal of people who contribute their time to various projects, not least of >> which is the Debian team. None of these people, or groups are asking for >> *your* money. >> >> So, before you start asking for money for whatever, I think you need to >> consider very carefully the individuals, foundations, and corporations who >> donate their own time free of charge so this community can benefit. >> >> There are other things that bother me about this whole thing as well. >> But I am waiting for something specific / concise to be discussed before I >> comment to those points. >> >> >> On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 7:22 AM, Lucas Tanure <ltan...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Jason Kridner <jkrid...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sunday, July 6, 2014, Lucas Tanure <ltan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Jason, >>>>> >>>>> I was thinking in all the questions that you made in previous email >>>>> and I made the conclusion that first we need to find out who we are. >>>>> I think that before we define how the foundation will run, we need to >>>>> ask who wants to join the foundation. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Part of the trick to what you are suggesting is making people aware >>>> of the survey. There is also difficulty in interpreting it and asking the >>>> right questions. Perhaps more can be learned from the discourse that has >>>> already happened. >>>> >>>> >>>>> We need to run a survey. Questions like : >>>>> >>>>> Which board do you use ? White Black ? >>>>> >>>> >>>> We know Bone Black is the most popular. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Do you use more boards than Beagles ? Like Intel Galileo, raspberry >>>>> pi ? >>>>> What type of use you do, for yourself, to community, commercial ? >>>>> Which license you use for your work ? BSD, GPL , Private ? >>>>> Which language do you use ? C, C++, Python, Java? >>>>> Do you develop a cape for Beagles ? If yes, what is the purpose? >>>>> Do you agree to pay a small fee to the foundation ? If yes, what you >>>>> expect in return ? >>>>> >>>> >>>> This last part is most interesting to me. if we get organized, can we >>>> do things to improve the state of things for the community? >>>> >>> Yes, my point is understand the current community and what we need . >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> If your return was : "A very good documentation about Beagles. How >>>>> To develop for beagles in any language that fits my needs". Do you agree >>>>> that only people who paid the small fee should get access to >>>>> documentation ? >>>>> >>>> >>>> I'd like to avoid charging for bits and give time or atoms in >>>> exchange for money if you are trying to say what exclusively someone should >>>> get for paying a membership fee. >>>> >>> My point is who pays the server running the forum, wiki etc. Or this >>> we already covered by another way ? >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Would you like to join the foundation? >>>>> Do you would pay for that? If yes, how much? >>>>> What do you miss in Beagles ? Library's to do your work ? A better >>>>> Documentation ? Cheaper price for boards ? A Store to sell your cape ? A >>>>> store to find all the capes that are develop for beagle. >>>>> >>>>> This are a few questions that I have in mind. After we discover who >>>>> we are, we can decide where to go. >>>>> And you, what you think ? >>>>> >>>> >>>> if the information is kept open to the community, then I'd be fine >>>> with you running a survey. Not cool to collect data about Beaglers for >>>> private benefit. >>>> >>> Yes, of course. Anyone will be able to see the result. >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Lucas A. Tanure Alves >>>>> +55 (19) 988176559 <%2B55%20%2819%29%20988176559> >>>>> -- >>>>> For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "BeagleBoard" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "BeagleBoard" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Lucas A. Tanure Alves >>> +55 (19) 988176559 <%2B55%20%2819%29%20988176559> >>> -- >>> For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "BeagleBoard" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "BeagleBoard" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> I agree "fees" sounds a bit shady to me. How much of these goes back to >> all other projects you pull from/use and so on? Why would an end user want >> to pay "fees" to join when no other boards out there require this outside >> the cost of their board. I dont have to pay "fees" to any project I dev for >> other than my time. The eco system no matter what should not have an >> additional fee, raise the cost of your boards if you're loosing out so much >> you have to want to collect fees from users/developers or whom ever just to >> join the "BB Foundation". This all seems to be going the wrong direction in >> my opinion >> -- >> For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "BeagleBoard" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "BeagleBoard" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > By shady I mean there should be no required fee, its not the end > users/developers responsibility to pick up costs that were not considered > initially in the business plan. > > No one forces anyone to volunteer their time for this community or any > others in the open source world, expecting your time to be compensated any > further than personal satisfaction should not be left up to end users or > other developers. There are also plenty outside of the "main" BBB community > who help maintain its use without any such needs. Expecting your "piece" > cause you did X or Y at some point, still, or plan to in the future should > only be based on your personal desire to help and give back, not out of > some agenda of I should get a piece to pay for my BW, hardware, and what > other personal time costs you want to throw in. Again no one ever forced > you to do anything for the BBB or any community you decided to take part > in. > > Run donation drives with clear pictures how it would be spread out because > it would only be fair to share anything raised with all the rest of the > bits that get used to make the BBB, such as Debian, Yocto, Robert Nelson, > and everything else in the stack sold on the BBB. The community in itself > is and should be able to self sustain. To me the flaw seems to be in the > pricing of the BBB then relying on the end users to pay another chunk to > make sure things continue on. > > A broken business model should be fixed, if more money is needed then get > it when the board is sold. Leave the rest to community donations, and the > eco system itself which is open source should thrive on its own, when it > can no longer do so then it should fail so the next thing can come along. > Maybe making $0 per board or however little it really is as has been said > numerous times for awhile ago should have never been allowed to continue. > > -- > For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "BeagleBoard" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BeagleBoard" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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