From: Rob Dixon <rob.di...@gmx.com> > On 19/04/2011 12:56, Jenda Krynicky wrote: > >>> > >>> SF> Well, you are right naturally, but there is no need to be so > >>> SF> rude. Start your email with a greeting, continue with a > >>> SF> compliment, use soft words, etc. Otherwise, you may be scaring > >>> SF> many people away. See some of my advice in: > > > > Try Alcoholics Anonymous. This is not a post-traumatic mutual support > > group, this is a technical mailing list! If you can't handle a terse > > and to the point reply, you should change the profession and try to > > find nicer talking people in the humanities. The catch is that the > > emails will start with a greeting, continue with a compliment, use > > soft words ... and be empty, empty, empty. > > > >> You could have said that it is not a good thing, while being polite and > >> much > >> less hostile and angry. As it is, you are scaring many people from this > >> list. > > > > As it is, those people should not be doing anything technical in the > > first place. The compiler will not start with a greeting and > > compliment their hairstyle either. > > You really believe that conveying technical knowledge requires rudeness, > sarcasm, and snide remarks?
No. But it doesn't require off topic compliments either. Programmers, especially the more experienced ones, tend to be busy folk. Both those that ask and those that reply. There was no rudeness in the original reply that caused all this weeping, much less sarcasm or snide remarks. It was a terse, to the point reply. Exactly what you should expect and get at a technical forum. > Too many people here seem to think that the > extent of their Perl knowledge entitles them to fits of bad manners and > lazy language. If you struggle to make positive comments as well as > negative ones then perhaps you should stick to writing Perl instead of > trying to teach it. If there's nothing to positively comment on, I an't gonna make up something just so that someone would feel better. That's not what this list is for. If you need someone to pet your ego, find some other place for that. This is a place for technical questions! > Nobody likes the pompous selfish drivers on the road that have more > money than wit, and insist on driving their expensive cars badly and > dangerously. They impress no one, and nor do those that are wealthy in > knowledge but challenged in wisdom and common sense that like to post > ridicule and abuse on this list. For goodness sake stop it and try to > write well instead. I'd rather write the truth, than something that feels nice. >From shawn wilson <ag4ve...@gmail.com>: > well, it is our culture. some fields have a culture of inclusion, > technology generally has a culture of exclusion. B U L L S H I T Technology generally has a culture of honesty. If you do something stupid, you are told you are doing something stupid. Without undue care about your ego, working under the asumption that you are a mature person. Yes, there are other fields where people treat you nice and kind ... letting you shot yourself in the foot rather than appering rude by telling you something you might not like to hear. >From Alan Haggai Alavi <alanhag...@alanhaggai.org>: > A mailing-list that welcomes new users and assists them is what I call > a 'healthy mailing-list'. Such lists will increase user > participation and eventually lead to the list being 'useful' to the > posters as well as to the community. I see. So you think a greeting and made up compliments are assistance? > Flaming is __HARM__ done to the community. No one enjoys it. It is the > best way to be destructive! Which is exactly why we should cut off this silly thread. Especially since the very first to flame in this thread was Shlomi Fish! Let me quote again Uri's response: > NEVER do that for such a simple problem. eval string is a last resort > when no other technique can work well. > and please learn to edit quoted email. there is no reason to see the > whole original email. also read a full thread before answering is a > good thing. this query was answered well several times already. Now that was incredibly rude. How could any human being write anything so insanely rude to another human being? Oh my gosh I'm gonna cryyyyyy!!!! Jenda ===== je...@krynicky.cz === http://Jenda.Krynicky.cz ===== When it comes to wine, women and song, wizards are allowed to get drunk and croon as much as they like. -- Terry Pratchett in Sourcery -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscr...@perl.org For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-h...@perl.org http://learn.perl.org/
