All:

I've said earlier on this thread that we can discuss things on a per
command basis. Let us please arrive at a common understanding of what
POSIX means to us.

While I have remained silent on this thread for the past two days, I
have also received numerous mails asking that we kickban Joerg from
Belenix-discuss, that we enforce moderation, people feeling
disappointed and wanting to leave, etc. I have chosen to wait a few
days and to then respond, since there is nothing to gain by losing
cool and clamping down.

Everyone needs to understand something important: the BOSUG and
Belenix culture is to work in a civil manner with everyone. We are
culturally very very different, and work on Belenix out of interest,
love for it, and respect for how Belenix has been the foundation of
the OpenSolaris distro.

Joerg: On the one hand, you write authoritatively about POSIX, and at
least Moinak and I like some of your tools. but on the other hand,
there are accusations about you trying to push in your tools, about
your lying about POSIX standards, etc. While I personally welcome your
advice, there are others on this group (infact this very thread), who
are skeptical about your statements. My request: Please let me set up
the right discussion threads, and then provide inputs. I will
arbitrate and ensure that the discussion is civil, but would also like
us all to collectively weigh and understand what we need and which
tools suit the groups' needs.

Irek, and others who have opinions different from Joerg: Please be
patient. We are not taking the final call on anything POSIX.

I personally am now very very curious as to why there is so much of
debate over the years, when the POSIX compliance tests are so easily
available (accompanied with some different levels of understanding of
how much these cost).

It seems like we need a project manager to facilitate discussions -
I'll set up something around this by mid next week.

-- Ram
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