Rik - why do you say the volatility has been rough on short positions ?  I 
would have thought it is choppy in both direction (albeit negative turns do 
seem to be a bit steeper than the gains...).

Also, a few questions with respect to my Best charts process:

1.  Optimise frequently vs optimise once and hold until there is evidence that 
the parameters are no longer working.  At this stage, I would err on the 
optimise frequently side, but I have read many posts which suggest the 
opposite.  What is your current thinking ?

2.  Buy and sell signals - the paper test I just did used buy and sell actions 
based on the individual stock's trend.  So if the trend was bearish, I sold and 
vice versa for buying.  I did not restrict buy and sell actions to the explicit 
signals in Best Charts (ie. I did not wait to see a 1.bullish or bearish.1).  
Do you think this practice is sound (I guess I am only catching part of the 
long or short action like this) ?  If I was to use the frequent optimisation 
method and I waited for the 1.bullish or bearish.1 signals, then they may never 
appear due to the constantly changing parameters.

Thanks

Paul



--- In [email protected], Henrik Rasmussen <rikrasmus...@...> wrote:
>
> That is some nice work Paul.
> 
> I am not surprised that shorter periods did well, given the short term
> volatility of the markets.
> 
> I think the volatility has also been rough on short positions, except maybe
> those short on BP stock. : )
> 
> 
> _____________
> Rik Rasmussen
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 9:28 AM, tzsuj <tz...@...> wrote:
> 
> > Dear Forum
> >
> > I'm a relatively new user of Best Charts – haven't use it for real yet, but
> > am trying to get a handle on it theoretically first.  BC seems to be an
> > interesting and potentially powerful tool, but unfortunately it will take a
> > bit of testing to get it set-up before I can use it with confidence....
> >
> > I completed my first test run and I thought I would publish some of the
> > results – to get some discussion going on here and also feedback from some
> > of the more advanced forum members.
> >
> > Some specifics of the test:
> >
> > Test Period:  19 April '10 to 17 May `10
> > Test Stocks:  Top 20 Australian stocks by market capitalisation (I used
> > these as they are large, well traded stocks – good volumes, and hopefully
> > the market is well enough informed such that true technical analysis
> > principles can operate)
> > Test Indicator:  BCI (I only did the BCI indicator as based on previous
> > optimisation testing, it seemed to give the best overall gains)
> > Parameters:  BCI was `optimised' each day (according to the series
> > description below).  I realise that the last parameter of the BCI is user
> > defined and not automatically optimised – I just left this as the default.
> > Buy/Sell Triggers:  Instruction from the optimisation output each day –
> > simply go long when `Bullish' and go short when `Bearish' (as per the intent
> > of the test series below)
> > Prices Used:  Buy/sell at the opening price on the day following the signal
> > generation.
> > Stop Losses:  No stop loss triggers were used – investment was held until
> > the signal changed.
> > Brokerage Costs:  No brokerage costs were taken into account
> >
> > Test Series:  #1 – Test Performance on Long Investment Only
> > Optimisation Period:  229 days
> > Optimise on Long Only
> > Invest Long Only
> >
> > Test Series:  #2a – Test Performance on Long and Short Investment
> > Optimisation Period:  229 days
> > Optimise on Long & Short
> > Invest Long Only
> >
> > Test Series:  #2b – Test Performance on Long and Short Investment
> > Optimisation Period:  229 days
> > Optimise on Long & Short
> > Invest Long & Short
> >
> > Test Series:  #3a to 3h – Test Performance on Optimisation Period
> > Optimisation Period:  20, 60, 90, 120, 150, 180, 250, 320 days respectively
> > Optimise on Long & Short
> > Invest Long & Short
> >
> > Issues that may have affected the results/market:
> >
> > The overall ASX market during the test period – commenced at the start of a
> > downtrend, 3 weeks duration.  Recovery in the last week.
> > The Greek sovereign debt crisis was rearing its head during the test period
> > and got decidedly worse during the latter half of the test period.
> > The Australian government announced the imposition of a higher rate of
> > taxation on mining companies during the last week of the test period – this
> > had a severe negative effect on resource stocks and resource service
> > industry type stocks.
> >
> >
> > Test results:
> > 1.  Interestingly, the percentage of winning trades for each test series
> > (so # of winning trades for all 20 stocks in each test series compared to
> > the total # of trades for all 20 stocks in each test series) came in at
> > around 50% - the law of averages...... series #1 was low @ 38%, but the rest
> > ranged from high 40's to mid 50's.  This would suggest to me that using BCI
> > in the way that I did is no better than flipping a coin – 50% of the time
> > you will get heads and 50% of the time you will get tails.  This is a bit
> > disappointing as I would view the ability to pick a winning trade as one of
> > the most important metrics – you need to be on winning trades for something
> > like 70% of the time to have some sort of confidence that you are on the
> > right track.
> >
> > 2.  In terms of the most number of winning trades, tests 3b (60 day), 3c
> > (90 day) and 3e (150 day) were the best performers with winning rates of
> > 57%, 54% and 59% respectively.  Encouraging, but not stellar.
> >
> > 3.  2/20 stocks did extremely well in terms of the # of test series with
> > winning trades <70% - RIO (6/11 test series) and WOW (8/11 test series) –
> > one resource stock and a consumer staple stock.  During the test period, RIO
> > was in a major down trend and WOW was in a range-bound pattern.  As a
> > comparison other stocks in the test population of 20 came in at 2-3 (at
> > best) with series trades >70% winners.  I don't know if there is anything to
> > be read from this observation......
> >
> > 4.  % winning LONG trades (41-67%) was decidedly greater than the % winning
> > SHORT trades (29-36%) for all test series.  This is interesting, but not
> > sure what I can conclude from it.  It seems to suggest that BCI's shorting
> > accuracy is less than that of long trigger accuracy.  If you were to extend
> > this concept and say, only invest long (but optimise on long and short), you
> > would come up with a better outcome, but you would still only get in the
> > high 60%'s for # of winning trades – close but not quite at the comfort
> > level.  WOW performed very well in terms of % of long winning trades – 7/11
> > tests achieved >70% winners.
> >
> > 5.  It is difficult to present statistically correct and meaningful data
> > for this item, but in general, the % gain/trade for winning shorts was
> > significantly greater compared to the gain/trade for winning long trades.  %
> > Losses/trade for losing longs and  losing shorts were about equal.
> >
> > 6.  Performance against benchmarks – 4 benchmarks were used - #1 was the
> > `buy and hold' movement of the share price for each stock during the test
> > period, #2 was a theoretical 7% pa return, #3 was the movement of the ASX
> > 200 index (top 200 ASX stocks) over the test period, and #4 preservation of
> > invested capital.
> >    6a.  Stock buy and hold - All test series performed considerably better
> > than the buy and hold scenario for each stock – the BCI series achieved
> > gains > the benchmark for between 70-90% of the 20 stock test set.
> >    6b.  Nominal 7%pa interest – Mixed results.  Series 1 and 2a were
> > decidedly worse than the benchmark (10-15% of stocks outperformed the
> > benchmark) – this is logical as these were series without shorting (so less
> > time in the market compared to a constant 7% earning rate).  Other series
> > ranged from 40-70%, with best performers being 3b (70%), 3c (65%) and 3e
> > (65%).  The remainder averaged out at the 50% mark......the law of averages
> > again ??
> >    6c.  ASX200 buy and hold – similar to 6a – not surprising given make-up
> > of ASX200 index.
> >    6d.  Preservation of capital – initial investment capital was preserved
> > in most series (generally 60-70% of the 20 stocks preserved capital, for
> > each of the test series), with the exception of series 1 and 2a (only 20% of
> > the stocks preserved capital).  The inability to short in these series is
> > the obvious difference to the other series, however this doesn't explain the
> > poor performance – if you couldn't short, then you just keep the money
> > uninvented – so no risk.   The only reason I can think of here is that the
> > falling market did not correlate well with the 229 day test period data and
> > the long only optimisation condition (for test 1) and the mismatched
> > optimisation (long and short) vs investment practice (long only) (for test
> > 2a) resulted in BCI not predicting well.
> >
> > 7.  Annualised % returns across the 20 stock spread – if you invested equal
> > initial amounts across the 20 stocks for each of the series, the following
> > annualised returns are realised:
> >
> >    Series 1    -38% pa
> >    Series 2a   -41% pa
> >    Series 2b   -1% pa
> >    Series 3a   22% pa
> >    Series 3b   47% pa
> >    Series 3c   44% pa
> >    Series 3d   -26% pa
> >    Series 3e   20% pa
> >    Series 3f   24% pa
> >    Series 3g   -13% pa
> >    Series 3h   3% pa
> >    Benchmark 1 -87% pa
> >    Benchmark 2 7% pa
> >    Benchmark 3 -94% pa
> >    Benchmark 4 0% pa
> >
> >
> > So, in summary, the BCI testing showed OK results against a `buy and hold'
> > strategy in a falling market, but the specific process used did not deliver
> > consistently high probability results (refer point 1).  Shorter optimisation
> > periods (60 and 90 day) seem to work the best in this instance.  Long
> > trading was more successful than shorting (don't know why – this is counter
> > market trend) and shorting wins were bigger than long wins.  No results came
> > close the optimised theoretical backtest results of ++100%pa (not sure if
> > this is realistic though).
> >
> > I will conduct more testing going forward.
> >
> > Any comments or suggestions.  Analysis spreadsheet is available upon
> > request (it is a bit messy, but you will get the idea).
> >
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
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