I agree that it is a good question that needs a clear answer. At first, it seemed obvious to me that someone driving a car would use the parking lane (to the right of the bike lane on Segoe) to make a right-on-red - or any right turn. Upon reflection, though, that's not so clear from a driver's seat. That still seems to me to be the right choice, but some kind of marking/signage would be needed to make that clear.
On Jul 11, 2011, at 9:42 AM, STRAWSER, Charles wrote: > I think it's a good question. And this is a good place to discuss it, as I > think a forum for motorists would mostly conclude an arguably correct answer > but because of the wrong reasons. > > I'm not that familiar with the area being discussed, so I'll speak in general > terms here: > > If the bike lane is intended for through (not turning) cyclists, then it's > arguable perfectly reasonable and legal for a car to sit in the bike lane > while waiting to turn right on red. After all, a bicyclist who wanted to go > straight would have to wait for the green light anyway. This is why many bike > lanes in this situation would go from a solid white land to a dashed white > line as they approach the intersection, which helps to indicate merging > traffic. > > On the other hand, that would not be the ideal street design. If the lane is > intended for through cyclists, and there are a lot of (Motor Vehicle) right > turns there, then the lane should be striped to the left of a right turn lane > (that could be used by both MVs and cyclists, of course). > > But there may not be room at this location for everything, which means a > decision is made to better allocate space on the street to some movements > over others. Typically allocation is made according to the majority of > existing movements, but of course this tends to enforce the negative feedback > loop of - no bicyclists (or pedestrians) here, so no (more or better) > facilities needed for them here. > > Chuck Strawser > Pedestrian & Bicycle Transportation Planner > Commuter Solutions > Transportation Services > UW-Madison > Room 124 WARF > 610 Walnut St > Madison WI 53726 > 608-263-2969 > www.wisc.edu/trans > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eric White > Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 10:36 PM > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Bikies] Public Hearing to Discuss Segoe Rd. Protected BikeLane > Extension > > I don't mean for it to be counterproductive. I'm a year-round bike > commuter. I also sometimes drive a car on Segoe. And I'm pretty sure > I'm not the only one who sometimes drives this street who is honestly > confused as to the proper driver behavior at this intersection. > Asking a list, say, devoted to driving a car would probably give me a > "sure, why couldn't you sit in the bike lane?" response. I thought > folks here might have a more insightful (read "correct") answer. > > My apologies if that's counterproductive. > > > On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 10:27 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> You know, as a bikie list serve this question seems counterproductive. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eric White >> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 7:45 PM >> To: William Obermeyer >> Cc: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Bikies] Public Hearing to Discuss Segoe Rd. Protected Bike >> Lane Extension >> >> Ha. Sorry. Should have noted that my question assumes I'm driving, >> not pedaling here. Can I sit in a car in the bike lane hear and turn >> right on red? >> >> On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 7:41 PM, William Obermeyer >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> There's already a bike lane stub that begins just before the Segoe-Mineral >> Point intersection, and whether you can make a safe right on red is a >> function of the traffic, which is often heavy. There's some danger of a >> right-hook, but _most_ drivers I've encountered seem aware of the problem. >>> Even so, I wouldn't do it. I find that stretch of Mineral Point so >> miserable for bike riding, and the Mineral Point-Midvale intersection so >> unfriendly (on Mineral Point) that I'd sturn right on Keating and take that >> eastbound. Even though there's no light at the Keating-Midvale >> intersection, it feels more bike friendly (to me) than the Mineral Point - >> Midvale intersection. >>> (Note: I have not had any problems making right turns from the bike lane >> on Segoe north of MPRd - presumably the model for the proposed bike lanes >> south of MPRd) >>> >>> On Jul 8, 2011, at 7:25 PM, Eric White wrote: >>> >>>> I have a question about this bike lane. If I'm heading N on Segoe and >>>> I want to turn R on Mineral Point, can I wait in the bike lane and >>>> turn right on red there? >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Amanda White <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>>> The City is seeking public feedback on extending the Segoe Rd. separated >>>>> bike lane past Mineral Point Road to Odana Road. This would eliminate a >>>>> through traffic lane in both directions on Segoe. >>>>> >>>>> It's a great opportunity and I hope some of you will be able to attend >> and >>>>> voice your support of this project. >>>>> >>>>> Wed. 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