I'm glad you differentiated between roundabouts and traffic circles.  The main 
difference to me is I am all in favor of roundabouts, and absolutely hate 
traffic circles.
I have to maneuver around several circles regularly.  On straight streets I 
consider them a hazard at any speed.  It's basically like swerving to dodge an 
imaginary squirrel.  Night visibility is a big problem.  At two-way stop 
intersections they are confusing, particularly when turning left.  Nobody seems 
to know whether they should cut through the direct way or go around.  Either 
way maneuvering space is lost, forcing vehicles into each other.
Here's the city's official FAQ on why these things exist: 
http://www.cityofmadison.com/trafficengineering/ntmpfaq.cfm
Buried in there is a very nice set of guidelines on how to maneuver traffic 
circles (which unfortunately hardly anyone seems to have read): 
http://www.cityofmadison.com/trafficengineering/documents/legalleftturn07212004.pdf
END rant.

-------------Patrick Lenon

Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 11:40:10 -0500
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
CC: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Bikies] Traffic circle accidents worry Kitsilano residents

Interesting. The circles in the video seem to be a cross between two different 
types of infrastructure: 1. a traffic circle - that is a traffic calming 
device, and 2. a roundabout, which is usually a replacement for a traffic 
signal. I think it would work if the sight lines were better - i.e. no tall 
vegetation - and people entered the intersection at a very slow speed - maybe 
10 mph. Think of the whole thing like a giant uncontrolled intersection - never 
assume that you have the right of way, and know that you will likely have to 
yield someone else at least half the time, maybe more.

The traffic circle in my neighborhood - the very first traffic calming project 
in Madison - has a 2-way stop on one street and through street on the other. 
It's not meant to dictate right of way, just to get people to go slower. We 
haven't had any problems in the over 15 years it's been there, and it's on 
Kendall, a major bike route.
Robbie Webber
Transportation Policy Analyst
State Smart Transportation Initiative
www.ssti.us

608-263-9984 (o)

608-225-0002 (c)
[email protected]


On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 8:46 AM, S. Morris Rose <[email protected]> wrote:

This is an interesting development- City of Vancouver (in British Columbia... 
in Canada?... America's Hat?) are actually removing traffic circles after crash 
data has shown that they have a negative impact on cyclist safety. I think the 
expectation when these things were added- there are hundreds of them here- was 
that the impact would be positive. But it turns out that reduced sight 
distances and confusion about semantics make the effect negative.


 
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2013/05/20/bc-traffic-circle-concerns.html


-- 
Scott M. Rose
West Point Grey, Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


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