Police are looking for witnesses. For those who did not see the article:

http://host.madison.com/news/local/crime_and_courts/police-seeking-witnesses-to-fatal-east-side-bike-crash/article_de7415b3-d2d7-589b-a807-a0afcd4062c3.html


On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Martin Lund <[email protected]>wrote:

> Copies of police reports can be requested by the public. Information on
> how to do that can be found 
> here<http://www.cityofmadison.com/police/support/records/>.
> Records don't become fully public right away and while I do not recall the
> typical length of the waiting period, that information is also available by
> contact the records department via the page linked above.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 8:11 PM, Grant Foster <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Bill,
>>
>> I'm not speculating or assuming, just pointing out a use of language that
>> seems contradictory or misleading. I'm not even sure those were Joel's
>> words, but it's how it was reported (and how the audience is reading it).
>> Describing vehicle 'A' as colliding with vehicle 'B' paints a picture for
>> me that is very different than a description of vehicle 'B' colliding with
>> vehicle 'A'. Language is important, especially in a bike/car incident where
>> many have preconceived ideas of the mv automatically being at fault because
>> it's a mv and others thinking it's the cyclist's fault for riding on a busy
>> road. My critique was of the incident's description, not of the MV driver's
>> action or inaction.
>>
>> If a car blows a red light and t-bones another car, I would say the first
>> car collided with the second. If a car blows a red light and is t boned by
>> another car, I would say the second car collided with the first. That
>> doesn't necessarily change who's at fault or who sustained the greater
>> injury, but it's a significant difference.
>>
>> (I also found it odd that the MV was described in detail -small SUV-, but
>> there was no mention of whether the cyclist was riding a road bike or MTB.
>> Is this because the audience is more interested in the details of the MV or
>> can just better relate to a MV description? Does a small SUV sound less
>> dangerous than an SUV? I'm not accusing Joel or the reporter of trying to
>> manipulate the audience or defend the MV operator, but I think these are
>> interesting questions and may shed some light on the power dynamic we
>> experience on the street and/or public opinion/sentiment as it relates to
>> MV/bicycle incidents.)
>>
>> Regardless, it's another cyclist who died on our streets and it's a
>> shame; this happens too frequently.
>>
>> Grant
>> On Jul 24, 2013 7:31 PM, "William Hauda" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> **        **Hesitate on these things. Don't automatically assume. Maybe
>>> the responding officers have not yet had time to file their written
>>> reports. Maybe Joel is trying with limited info to respond to a public
>>> concern. Speculation at this point doesn't serve anyone. Facts will
>>> eventually come out. Then we can decide.
>>>
>>>  At 05:21 PM 7/24/2013, Grant Foster wrote:
>>>
>>> I find the language attributed to Joel DeSpain interesting: "the
>>> bicyclist collided with a small SUV" even though "she did not see the
>>> bicyclist until he was right in front of her". There isn't much detail to
>>> go on, but it seems significant that the bicyclist is attributed with the
>>> collision even though it sounds like he was struck by the MV. This doesn't
>>> mean the MV driver is at fault, but it's an odd nuance that seems to cast
>>> the responsibility on the cyclist. It's also notable that the 'bicyclist'
>>> (person) collided with the SUV (object), further removing the MV driver
>>> from the equation.
>>>
>>> It's another terrible loss.
>>>
>>> Grant
>>> On Jul 24, 2013 12:37 PM, "Mary Ebeling" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>  
>>> http://host.madison.com/news/local/crime_and_courts/bicyclist-killed-in-collision-with-suv-on-east-side-police/article_de7415b3-d2d7-589b-a807-a0afcd4062c3.html
>>>
>>> This just happened this morning. From reading the report and trying to
>>> parse out what might have happened, it seems that someone may have run a
>>> light or there could have been some sidewalk riding. It is hard to tell
>>> what happened from the limited information in the article. It would be good
>>> to see a crash report.
>>>
>>> Either way, this really sucks.
>>>
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