My phone, which thinks it is smarter than it really is, like
Larry's, has on occasion unexpectedly taken things out of my hand and
sent what it wanted, not what I wanted while I was still in the
middle of editing. The PC is more reliable.
I go with Larry. There are important decisions to be made
here. My sense is that the main connection should be to Wingra,
alongside Fish Hatchery Road if UW Arboretum
ownership/easements/permissions allow. Ideally, it would be a path on
the Arboretum side so there is no traffic crossing of a busy road
(unless it's bridged).
At 07:32 PM 11/23/2013, Larry D. Nelson wrote:
The lesson here is not to use your iPhone to respond to messages, at
least for me. I was trying to edit my response and the fugitive
message escaped.
Let me try it again. The first completed phase of the Cannonball
connected the children in Fitchburg to Leopold Elementary School via
the Capital City Trail and the Cannonball and I thought that was a
win as we provided an alternate to cars and busses.
What I don't know is if Rev. James C. Wright Middle School, a
Charter School, has many students that could use the Cannon
Ball. If there is potential use, that may cause us to reconsider
future priorities. However, the City and the School District has
had very little coordination with the city on transportation issues
or public works issues. Most of the necessary work has to be done
with the Principal of the school and they are very busy people and
they focus inside the school, not outside.
So, before we simply plan to extend the Cannonball to Beld Street,
let's see if there is any advantage to provide a safe connection to
Wright Middle School. Perhaps there is a connection from the
railroad tracks north to the school mid-block between Fish Hatchery
and Park Street that could be developed. And, yes, we have to get
across Fish Hatchery Road.
Larry Nelson
From: India Viola [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 8:50 PM
To: Larry D. Nelson
Subject: Re: [Bikies] Verona Road/Highway PD (Mckee Road)
I was pretty sure you didn't mean that you actually wanted to give
pot to middle schoolers, but you had me going for a moment ;).
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On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Larry D. Nelson
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
Sorry, some thought given
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 22, 2013, at 5:43 PM, "Larry D. Nelson"
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
I would like to see you some pot given to the potential of serving
the right middle school from the bikepath and what would be required
to increase the level of service for cyclist on Fish hatchery Road.
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 22, 2013, at 4:31 PM, Grant Foster
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
I would love, love, love to see this connected to the Wingra path
(hopefully via the same rail corridor to Beld). This would be a much
better long-term solution than routing this traffic up/down Fish
Hatchery. I just don't ever see families from the South/West feeling
comfortable biking down the FH bike lanes along this stretch. It
really needs to be a grade-separated or completely segregated path
to truly connect to downtown.
Good luck on the planning!!
Grant
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Fernandez, Anthony
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
Sorry for any confusion based on our original phasing for the
Cannonball Path project. Let's see if this helps:
1. What we originally called "Phase 3" from Greenway View to Fish
Hatchery was broken into two segments due to land ownership and
timing issues. The recently-completed Phase 3, which includes the
new bridge over the Beltline, ends just north of the Beltline with
a connection to the north frontage road. A piece of new path
extending northeast from there is not currently in service. It will
be put in service when we complete the continuation to Fish Hatchery
Road. We currently refer to this as "Phase 5' and we are hoping to
complete it in 2014.
2. Madison is beginning to study alternative routes to continue the
Cannonball path to connect to the Wingra path. (Working name:
Cannonball Phase 6) We are optimistic about the feasibility but not
enough work has been done to estimate costs or project a completion year.
3. With the completion of Phase 1 in 2011/12 we now have paved path
from the Capital City Trail to the Beltline north frontage road open for use.
4. Our partner, Fitchburg is the lead agency for the path west of
Arbor Hills, generally referred to as Phase 2&4. Fitchburg is also
the local sponsor with oversight of the WisDOT project constructing
the bridge over CTH PD. The info on completion schedules provided by
others in this string is correct as far as I know, but I defer to
Fitchburg for any detail about that.
Tony Fernandez
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From: Mary Mullen [<mailto:[email protected]>mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 1:54 PM
To: George Perkins; 'William Hauda';
'<http://bikies-danenet.org>bikies-danenet.org'; Dorothy Krause;
Fernandez, Anthony
Cc: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
Subject: Re: [Bikies] Verona Road/Highway PD (Mckee Road)
Here are my understandings based on actual observation and also a
conversation today with Tony Fernandez, City of Madison Engineering
bike person.
Phase 1 (blue) is paved and done, including a spur into Arbor Hills
(to the north) that is not shown.
Phase 2 (yellow) - south of the Grady Tract of the Arboretum and
then between Belmar Hills and Dunn's Marsh - along with Phase 4
(dotted magenta line) - southwest and then finally crossing PD - is
passable gravel southwest almost to PD although not yet
paved. These phases are scheduled to be completed (paved) by
Fitchburg by mid-2014. The second half of the bridge over PD (Phase
4) is due to be set in December, then put to bed until spring 2014
when work will be finished on the path itself.
Phase 3 (red solid line), south of the Beltline, is still a mudhole
I believe, except for the approaches to the bridge over the Beltline
which are paved.
The route north of the Beltline is supposed to be Phase 5, not Phase
3. Tony Fernandez informed me that the City of Madison is working
with the Arboretum for easements there and has already completed an
archeological survey. He suggested that the path will be completed
to Fish Hatchery Road next year, 2014. This is funded in the 2014
Madison budget.
The City of Madison is also working on putting together Phase 6
which will go still further northeast more or less along that same
railroad corridor, to and past Park Street. I'm a little bit hazy
on Phase 6, but Tony and I talked about how that would be in the
vicinity of Bowman Field which is just south of Wright Middle School.
He mentioned that the Cannonball Path map referred to in George
Perkins' e-mail which is also the one I have personally does not
show Phase 4 correctly, and does not show Phase 5 or Phase 6.
Mary Mullen
Dunn's Marsh Neighborhood Association
On 11/22/13 12:47 PM, "George Perkins"
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
> A big THANK YOU to the various officials who have worked
diligently to make
> this all happen. Until the path is open and I can ride it, I find
it hard to
> visualize the components being discussed. This map
>
(<http://www.cityofmadison.com/bikemadison/documents/projectCannonball2and4map.>http://www.cityofmadison.com/bikemadison/documents/projectCannonball2and4map.
> pdf) breaks the project into 4 phases. Can someone comment on the opening
> dates for each phase? Does the bridge over PD/McKee signal near completion
> status for phase 4? Did it get bumped up in priority over the
other phases due
> to the Hwy 151 Verona Road / Beltline intersection construction?
I am a bit
> confused on the timing. First I've heard of the Dawley Bike Hub
>
(<http://city-fitchburg-wi.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=1125&m>http://city-fitchburg-wi.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=1125&m
> eta_id=66685) which will include a much-needed public restroom facility
> adjacent to Dane County mountain bike trails near Dunn's Marsh. These are
> excellent plans - what unfinished approvals, etc., are still in
the works to
> make them happen? George Perkins Sent by my iCurmudgeon
> TM -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 11/21/13, Dorothy
> Krause <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
According to the info out of Fitchburg
> and DOT, second half will go up in December, and the bridge-to-be
will be put
> to bed for the winter. The bridge itself is scheduled to be ready for use
> around Memorial Day and the Cannonball Path (from Dunn's Marsh and parts
> east) leading to it should be paved in July. Work has begun again on the
> Dawley bike hub at Dunn's Marsh. I'm not holding my breath of
dates for that
> yet tho. Nice to see work happening again anyway.
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