This is something that Mia Birk of Alta Planning mentioned in one of her talks: people driving tend to overestimate how long biking to a destination takes while underestimating how long driving takes. To fix the former, Portland (Ore.) installed a lot of way finding signs that include distance and time to destination (I believe based on an 8 mph average speed). I think something like that would be great for Madison.
Harald On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 4:46 PM Grant Foster <[email protected]> wrote: > Distance isn't necessarily a good proxy for easier/faster/more convenient > for transit vs bike. Ease and convenience are pretty relative and > subjective terms, but biking is probably faster than transit for a lot of > people. I live 8.5 miles away from my work (Dempsey/Cottage Grove Rd to > Todd Dr./Frontage Rd.) and have a bus stop right outside my front door and > relatively close to my workplace. Google maps estimates my time by bike to > be 43 minutes (real world time for me is ~35 minutes during most of the > year and closer to 45 minutes in the winter). Google puts my trip by bus at > 1:04 minutes. I actually need to leave by 6:51 in order to get to work by > 8:00, so there's also that wait time as compared to a bike. If I worked at > UW Hospital it would take me 1:05 by bus vs. 39 minutes by bike. It'd be > cool if someone could do a visualization of trip times for transit vs. bike > in Madison and I bet a lot of people would be surprised at how quick biking > is, especially when compared to transit. > > If you live and work in Madison, it's hard to beat a bike to get you where > you need to be. > > > > On Fri Feb 13 2015 at 2:43:46 PM Robbie Webber <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I was actually sort of impressed that so many people mentioned the need >> for improved and more bike parking (and showers, locker rooms, etc.) What >> that shows, along with the very high mode split among people making > >> $55,000, is that people who likely have a transportation choice are opting >> to bike. We have excellent facilities as far as the average American city >> or workplace goes. I wonder how many other workplaces with over 15,000 >> employees and 40,000+ other daily commuters have parking as good as ours. >> >> But I was also very surprised that biking was so far ahead of transit. >> Obviously, that's for good weather. Do people in that income category live >> significantly closer so that biking is easier/faster/more convenient than >> bus? >> >> And the attitudes and mode splits at the Hospital just seemed to be so >> radically different. Some of it is surely due to scheduling, but it can't >> all be that. >> >> Robbie Webber >> Transportation Policy Analyst >> 608-263-9984 (o) >> 608-225-0002 (c) >> [email protected] >> All opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of >> my employer or any other group with which I am affiliated. >> >> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 1:58 PM, STRAWSER, Charles < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> “Also mentioned is better/more bike parking” >>> >>> >>> >>> Yep. Working on that. And we passed a milestone in fall 2014 – we now >>> have more free bike parking spaces on campus than we spaces for cars. >>> >>> Roughly 13,100 bike parking spaces vs about 13,000 car spaces. >>> >>> >>> >>> And we have already replaced all but about 600 of the old, awful bike >>> racks on campus (you know, the wheelbenders, and the “wave” racks that are >>> so popular with architects because they look pretty when empty). >>> >>> >>> >>> Most dorms now have 1 bike parking space for every 2 residents (Sellery >>> and Witte are notable exceptions, but there’s a $40 million project there >>> that should improve bike parking there). >>> >>> >>> >>> And we’re not done yet. Our goal is 14,500 spaces that all meet campus >>> standards by 2017. >>> >>> And we are on track to do that. >>> >>> >>> >>> I’ve started working on UW-Madison’s reapplication to League of American >>> Bicyclists for a better Bicycle Friendly University status (we were named >>> silver in 2011), and honestly, more and better bike parking is the main >>> obstacle to gold (or perhaps even platinum) status, imo. >>> >>> >>> >>> But I’d welcome your comments here , or directly to me, about that. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> chuck >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Bikies [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of >>> *Robbie >>> Webber >>> *Sent:* Friday, February 13, 2015 1:27 PM >>> *To:* Bikies >>> *Subject:* [Bikies] Survey of UW transportation issues >>> >>> >>> >>> Very interesting responses. There are actually two documents: one >>> <http://transportation.wisc.edu/files/SurveyReports/2014SurveyReportMain.pdf> >>> is just the percentages of people that answered questions in a certain way, >>> and the appendices >>> <http://transportation.wisc.edu/files/SurveyReports/2014SurveyReportAppendices.pdf> >>> include comments verbatim. >>> >>> >>> >>> I found several things especially interesting. >>> >>> >>> >>> Biking to campus is the second highest mode after driving alone for >>> faculty and staff making over $55,000/yr >>> >>> >>> >>> The comments section was especially interesting and had a number of >>> strong themes: >>> >>> - Faculty/staff that drive part way into the city and then either >>> bike or take the bus, >>> - Faculty/staff that love the bus pass program, >>> - Faculty/staff complaining about the cost of parking on campus, >>> - Hospital employees overwhelmingly complained about parking, but >>> many more issues than just the cost, although that was also the top >>> complaint. Schedules or the bus and work not matching are significant >>> problems. >>> - Hospital employees are much more outright hostile to UW Parking >>> and Transportation Services than other groups. Many m ore comments that >>> said, "We shouldn't have to pay to come to work." >>> - Faculty/staff that would like better transit options to allow them >>> to drive less. These include longer hours of service/more frequency, >>> service to areas that don't have it now, and more direct connections to >>> campus from some areas. Also mentioned is better/more bike parking and >>> showers. >>> - Students complaining about overcrowded buses. Faculty/staff too, >>> but the #80 seems to be the biggest problem. >>> - Very few faculty, staff, or students use Monona Transit. More UW >>> Hospital employees use Monona Transit. >>> >>> I have a bit more sympathy for the hospital employees that work off >>> hours, have to go to multiple locations of UW Clinics, or are "on call," so >>> may not be able to plan travel easily. >>> >>> >>> >>> But there also seem to be a significant number of people in both >>> professional categories (I'm leaving out students) who need to be a little >>> more creative about using more than one mode to get to work. Except for >>> maybe living somewhere car-dependent (which is a different subject), there >>> is nothing wrong with driving in from your home in the 'burbs or farther >>> reaches of Madison, parking for free on the street, and then jumping on the >>> bus or your bike for the rest of the journey. Many people have obviously >>> figured that out, but many more just can't wrap their head around the idea >>> that the journey to work can involve more than one mode. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Robbie Webber >>> Transportation Policy Analyst >>> 608-263-9984 (o) >>> >>> 608-225-0002 (c) >>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> All opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those >>> of my employer or any other group with which I am affiliated. >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bikies mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >> > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >
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