Re: [Bioc-devel] R-devel for Windows: Rtools3.5 vs Rtools4.0

Mon, 20 Apr 2020 21:55:41 -0700 

Yes, all builds of R 4.0 and above are now using Rtools40 on Windows. See:

  https://cran.r-project.org/bin/windows/Rtools/
AFAIK there has been no official announcement about this on the various R-* mailing lists but this is suggested by the output of 'R CMD config CC' which has changed from C:/Rtools/mingw_64/bin/gcc to /mingw64/bin/gcc with the most recent Windows builds of R 4.0.0.
/mingw64/bin/gcc and /mingw32/bin/gcc are the paths to the 64-bit and 32-bit compilers **in the Msys environment** that is shipped with Rtools40. These paths are relative to the location of Rtools40, which by default is C:\Rtools40. 

Hope this helps,
H.


On 4/20/20 19:38, Gordon K Smyth wrote:

Hi Herve,

Ah, I see now.

I was getting confused by the CRAN page that points to R-4.1.0 for Windows and says it 
"will eventually become the next major release of R". I see now that we should 
be using R-4.0.0 RC instead, which is the patched link.

Can I confirm whether we should be using Rtools3.5 or Rtools4.0 with R-4.0.0 RC 
for Windows? The release note for R-4.0.0 RC says that it was ported by Guido 
Masarotto, Brian Ripley and Duncan Murdoch, which to me means it must be using 
the older toolchain. I had associated that toolchain in my mind with Rtool3.5, 
but perhaps without any proper justification. Maybe Rtools4.0 supports both the 
4.0.0 and 4.1.0 pipelines.

Thanks
Gordon


-----Original Message-----
From: Hervé Pagès <hpa...@fredhutch.org>
Sent: Tuesday, 21 April 2020 12:01 PM
To: Gordon K Smyth <sm...@wehi.edu.au>; Martin Morgan
<mtmorgan.b...@gmail.com>; bioc-devel@r-project.org
Cc: Yunshun Chen <yuc...@wehi.edu.au>
Subject: Re: [Bioc-devel] R-devel for Windows: Rtools3.5 vs Rtools4.0

Hi Gordon,

The Bioconductor version to be released (BioC 3.11) uses R 4.0, not R
4.1. The latest Windows built of R 4.0 is available on CRAN here:

    
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cran.r-2Dproject.org_bin_windows_base_rpatched.html&d=DwIGaQ&c=eRAMFD45gAfqt84VtBcfhQ&r=BK7q3XeAvimeWdGbWY_wJYbW0WYiZvSXAJJKaaPhzWA&m=hj173hPUpLOLp7dFQ_16azQNCbeFfRPfQqgksa9-15s&s=H7efBWjbnmjHS7SQKjsjRlOG_7OvsT_Aq6rNUqJTK8c&e=

Note that the upcoming devel version of Bioconductor (BioC 3.12) will
still be based on R 4.0. We'll only start using R 4.1 for BioC 3.13.

Cheers,
H.


On 4/20/20 17:42, Gordon K Smyth wrote:

Hi Martin,

I may have jumped to the wrong conclusion as to the cause of the problem.

The problem we are observing is that BiocManager::install does not currently
work with R Devel for Windows 2020-04-18 (which the installer is calling R 
4.1.0)
while it still works fine with R Devel for Windows 2020-02-15 (which the 
installer
is calling R 4.0.0). In the former case, the installer is trying to find a 4.1
repository that doesn't seem to exist.


Note that I have not renamed R-devel to R 4.1.0 myself. The r-devel-win.exe

installer automatically labels the R shortcut as "R 4.1.0".


I am assuming that Bioconductor packages that need compilation have to be

build using the same toolchain as used for R itself. Since I can install Bioc
packages with R 4.0.0, I assume that I am getting packages built with Rtools3.5.
If there is an Rtools4.0 version of Bioc-devel, where is it?


I can git clone the source code for Bioc packages and compile them

successfully for R 4.1.0 using Rtools4.0, but that's more tedious that using
install().


It is getting very close to the Bioc 3.11 Release, so we would like to make sure

that everything works ok with the latest version of R.


Regards
Gordon

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library(BiocManager)

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help

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install("edgeR")

Error in install("edgeR") : could not find function "install"

library(BiocManager")


+ > library("BiocManager")
Bioconductor version 3.11 (BiocManager 1.30.10), ?BiocManager::install for

help

install("edgeR")

Bioconductor version 3.11 (BiocManager 1.30.10), R Under development

(unstable) (2020-02-15 r77808)

Installing package(s) 'edgeR'
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Old packages: 'backports', 'BiocFileCache', 'BiocNeighbors', 'BiocStyle',

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'MSnbase', 'nlme', 'purrr',

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'tibble',

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Update all/some/none? [a/s/n]: n




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-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Morgan <mtmorgan.b...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, 20 April 2020 7:44 PM
To: Gordon K Smyth <sm...@wehi.edu.au>; bioc-devel@r-project.org
Cc: Yunshun Chen <yuc...@wehi.edu.au>
Subject: Re: [Bioc-devel] R-devel for Windows: Rtools3.5 vs Rtools4.0

The Bioconductor 3.11 builds transitioned in the last week to using the new

tool

chain, following CRAN's lead.

As a sanity check (ours!) what makes you say


      It appears that the Bioconductor developmental repository is using

rtools35


?

Martin Morgan

On 4/19/20, 10:41 PM, "Bioc-devel on behalf of Gordon K Smyth" <bioc-

devel-

boun...@r-project.org on behalf of sm...@wehi.edu.au> wrote:

      Dear Biocore team,

      How is Bioconductor handling the transition to the new R for Windows
toolchain?

      The R-Devel build for Windows currently available from CRAN uses Jerome
Oom's new gcc 8.3.0 toolchain from rtools40, whereas R-Devel builds for
Windows downloaded from CRAN a couple of months ago used the older
rtool35 toolchain.

      It appears that the Bioconductor developmental repository is using

rtools35,

which means that BiocManager::install is incompatible with the R-Devel build

for

Windows now on CRAN but works with R-Devel from a month or two ago.

      When Bioconductor 3.11 is released, will it be the rtools40 toolchain or
rtools35?

      Thanks
      Gordon

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