OK as long as you can migrate the backup from an old computer to a new one. Maybe in the future we can provide a migration tool, but until then ...
You are right, the battery should be a standard option not an advanced one. Regards, Dan On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Bart <[email protected]> wrote: > OK should be possible to implement, I take a slight variation to your > proposal and write the possibility to include another folder based on your > recommendations. We avoid the possibility that someone accidentally make a > new snapshot into that folder, and even (in a worse-case scenario) > smart-removes it because there was less than 1 Gb free... > > Another thing: isn't it a good idea to move the battery option from > advanced to the normal options? It is not really a difficult option and > every layman could understand what is meant with that checkbox. > > Cheers, > Bart > > 2009/12/2 Dan <[email protected]> > > Hi, >> >> We can recommend not to backup using advanced features. But for the moment >> this is easy to do and can help migration from one computer to another. >> >> I see it like a dialog with a checkbox to enable/disable and the 3 combos: >> host, user, profile. Each combo will update based on other. >> Ex: host contains current host and all other host into backup folder, user >> contains current user and all users in backup folder for selected host (it >> update if the host combo change) and the profile id contains current id and >> all id's for current host+user. >> >> Regards, >> Dan >> >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Bart <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I actually meant to include the --delete-excluded again, as I guess that >>> would solve the ghost folders problem :-) >>> -> I once removed it because it caused breaking of the hardlinks, >>> especially between different scheduled tasks. >>> >>> So you mean you should be able to include snapshot folders from other >>> locations, to be able to restore that one? I might implement that slightly >>> different as what you described: I will add in the options menu a folder >>> selection box in which you can add other locations... The only thing you >>> cannot do is make backups into that other folder. Do want that possibility >>> as well (it would make the new directory structure awfully messy if you >>> would allow that)? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Bart >>> >>> 2009/12/1 Dan <[email protected]> >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> >>>> " >>>> >>>>> 2. In settings for the shapshots path there should be "Advanced >>>>> options" to force host/user/profile. >>>>> >>>> I do not get what you mean completely? Do you mean that you should be >>>> able to set these values? >>>> " >>>> >>>> Imagine you want to backup one computer and restore it to another (or >>>> just another user). >>>> Because of the new structure you can't restore from someone else. >>>> You should be able to force this (as advanced options). >>>> >>>> About "--delete-excluded". I already remove it :) >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Dan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Bart <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2009/12/1 Dan <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I agree for the beta release. >>>>>> There are 2 repositories on BIT website: testing & release. We ca put >>>>>> the beta in testing. >>>>>> >>>>>> OK! Good idea! >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Bart <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I support a new release: the sooner the better, because a lot of bugs >>>>>>> and questions that are now appearing are already saved or implemented! >>>>>>> But >>>>>>> it might still be a good idea to launch a beta first, for a couple of >>>>>>> weeks. >>>>>>> I think we should do that not on our official repository but more as a >>>>>>> separate download, or a PPA in launchpad... >>>>>>> Just to see if we overlooked some bugs... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> However there are some things we might have to fix before launching >>>>>>> to the real 1.0: >>>>>>> - There is this KDE bug that causes backintime to freeze: it hangs in >>>>>>> the compare to phase... It only happens with KDE: >>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.Bart >>>>>>> <[email protected]>net/backintime/+bug/441628<https://bugs.launchpad.net/backintime/+bug/441628>(and >>>>>>> duplicates) >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll have a look >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> - If the config file is write blocked it should give a warning: >>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/backintime/+bug/480180 >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It should show an error. I'm not sure this is a must for 1.0. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> - I still have to add the .gvfs to the default excluded patterns: >>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/backintime/+bug/422132 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ok >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - When a error in the plugins occur it should continue and not hang >>>>>>> forever: https://bugs.launchpad.net/backintime/+bug/446168 >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This bug should be fixed. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> - Add the ionice option: >>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/backintime/+bug/378656, as I also >>>>>>> experience really performance loss when a BiT task is running, what for >>>>>>> example in case of watching a movie, becomes quite irritating. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not sure this is a must for 1.0. >>>>>> >>>>> It is not a must indeed, would be nice though :-) But you are right, >>>>> there are more important things to deal with >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Then we are all OK: no more schedule per included directory. >>>>>> >>>>> OK I will stop thinking about fixing the "ghost folders" and add the >>>>> --delete-excluded again >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> There should be 2 more points: >>>>>> 1. In <path to snapshots>/backintime there should be an info file with >>>>>> the structure version. >>>>>> >>>>> It is there already: in the info file this information is stored under >>>>> the snapshot_version: >>>>> 1 -> old location, old info (all snapshots that do not have a >>>>> snapshot_version set in the info file) >>>>> 2 -> old location, with info (this one was actually pretty useless, it >>>>> was a transfer version, because I thought to include a transfer method >>>>> that >>>>> could distinguish between old and new location, but stored already some >>>>> information in the info file) >>>>> 3 -> new location, new info -> the current version >>>>> >>>>> 2. In settings for the shapshots path there should be "Advanced >>>>>> options" to force host/user/profile. >>>>>> >>>>> I do not get what you mean completely? Do you mean that you should be >>>>> able to set these values? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> For 2.0 we can add: >>>>>> - restore to >>>>>> - show all profiles snapshots >>>>>> ... >>>>>> >>>>>> Lets put a list on the blueprints, and brainstorm further on that >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Bart >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Dan >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Bart >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2009/11/30 Richard Bailey <[email protected]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Dan, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I looked at the ionice option when I first came to BiT, but I didn't >>>>>>>> work on it, no. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I see where the schedule per included setting causes a lot of >>>>>>>> headache. Now that BiT has profiles support this option is most likely >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>> needed any more so I support it's removal. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The part I was working on is letting the user choose the hour of >>>>>>>> their backup if the backup is daily or greater; this will help those >>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>> don't leave their computers on all night since BiT runs these backups >>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>> midnight. Only root has access to anacron which will run missed cron >>>>>>>> jobs, >>>>>>>> regular users don't have this capability. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm finished with the gnome side; KDE is the outstanding part and >>>>>>>> getting it to work properly with the schedule per include option, but >>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>> that is removed it's only KDE to complete. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Richard >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 7:03 AM, Dan <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Richard, maybe I'm wrong, but didn't you worked on using ionice >>>>>>>>> option ? >>>>>>>>> (I'm talking about >>>>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/backintime/+bug/482931) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Then I'm restarting the debate about schedule per included >>>>>>>>> directory. >>>>>>>>> The implementation is tricky and it can break things. >>>>>>>>> There can be a snapshot consistency problem: you have a schedule >>>>>>>>> every 5 minutes for a folder and disabled for another. The the >>>>>>>>> snapshot name >>>>>>>>> may look like it was take at a specific moment but is only true for >>>>>>>>> scheduled folder. This may lead to false bugs too. >>>>>>>>> Using profiles is a different story: everything is clear. >>>>>>>>> From my point of view there are more CONS than PROS for this >>>>>>>>> feature. >>>>>>>>> What do you think ? >>>>>>>>> Do you have good reasons not to remove it ? >>>>>>>>> I'm ready to remove it for 1.0 but I'm not alone anymore on this >>>>>>>>> project ... :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> Dan >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Richard Bailey <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi guys, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I agree, I think BiT is getting really close for a 1.0 release. I >>>>>>>>>> would like to finish my work on the Hour of Backup choice though to >>>>>>>>>> make it >>>>>>>>>> into 1.0. I haven't had a chance to finish it yet because of work >>>>>>>>>> and then >>>>>>>>>> my computer died. I should be back up on my feet by this week. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - Richard >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 6:24 AM, Dan <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Bart & Richard, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> What do you think, are we ready for the release ? >>>>>>>>>>> Is there anything you want to change for this release ? >>>>>>>>>>> I think 1.0 can be a nice Christmas gift :) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Dan >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Mailing list: >>>>>>>>>>> https://launchpad.net/~bit-team<https://launchpad.net/%7Ebit-team> >>>>>>>>>>> Post to : [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> Unsubscribe : >>>>>>>>>>> https://launchpad.net/~bit-team<https://launchpad.net/%7Ebit-team> >>>>>>>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> "Asking the wrong questions is the leading cause of wrong >>>>>>>>>> answers." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Mailing list: >>>>>>>>> https://launchpad.net/~bit-team<https://launchpad.net/%7Ebit-team> >>>>>>>>> Post to : [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Unsubscribe : >>>>>>>>> https://launchpad.net/~bit-team<https://launchpad.net/%7Ebit-team> >>>>>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> "Asking the wrong questions is the leading cause of wrong answers." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Mailing list: >>>>>>>> https://launchpad.net/~bit-team<https://launchpad.net/%7Ebit-team> >>>>>>>> Post to : [email protected] >>>>>>>> Unsubscribe : >>>>>>>> https://launchpad.net/~bit-team<https://launchpad.net/%7Ebit-team> >>>>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Mailing list: >>>>>> https://launchpad.net/~bit-team<https://launchpad.net/%7Ebit-team> >>>>>> Post to : [email protected] >>>>>> Unsubscribe : >>>>>> https://launchpad.net/~bit-team<https://launchpad.net/%7Ebit-team> >>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Mailing list: >>>> https://launchpad.net/~bit-team<https://launchpad.net/%7Ebit-team> >>>> Post to : [email protected] >>>> Unsubscribe : >>>> https://launchpad.net/~bit-team<https://launchpad.net/%7Ebit-team> >>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailing list: >> https://launchpad.net/~bit-team<https://launchpad.net/%7Ebit-team> >> Post to : [email protected] >> Unsubscribe : >> https://launchpad.net/~bit-team<https://launchpad.net/%7Ebit-team> >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: > https://launchpad.net/~bit-team<https://launchpad.net/%7Ebit-team> > Post to : [email protected] > Unsubscribe : > https://launchpad.net/~bit-team<https://launchpad.net/%7Ebit-team> > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > >
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