Fortunately halving in 2020 will be non destructive because it looks like we 
will have higher difficulty in 2024 than in 2020.

Let's assume the worst case scenario: after halving in 2024, we have regression 
of difficulty in 2028. Annual inflation rate in 2028 is 0.81%. Removal of 
halvings in this year means that in year 2100 (72 years later) we will have 
0.51% annual inflation rate, still. And that is Monero concept in fact: 
constant annual supply, thus very slowly decreasing of inflation.

Yes, you are right. Better that that - would be to wait for bitcoin ecosystem 
to show us what is the equilibrium/saturation level at globe scale - I hope it 
will be several years later and "the annual inflation to keep" - will be 0.40% 
in 2032 or even 0.20% only in 2036.

And then instead of halving every 210k blocks - just to adjust the block reward 
(i.e. slightly increase). To keep the annual inflation rate constant. Constant 
forever. On most proper level - because determined empirically. I didn't 
propose it, because of certain, immediate backlash :)

And for the same reason, as an answer how much security we need. Empirically 
reached security level is - the most accurate one. In military terminology: the 
protection of already conquered land. Regression is sign of weakness and we 
probably don't want to see it in Bitcoin.

Anyway, keeping Bitcoin in the middle of ultra-obvious Edge Case, with 
pathological Friedman's "free lunches" for stakeholders, due to this overtaxing 
(punish) people which are simply want to use Bitcoin, additionally with pure 
form of Prisoner's Dilemma here, and with Trust to "large" stakeholders, while 
almost every of them will convince himself he is not really a large one and 
"let Microstrategy run Antminers" (and burn money)

- and all above only because we are too greed to pay miners as low as only few 
tenths of a percent per year for their real service as keeping network secure, 
pay in most honest way, because with no exceptions and proportionally to 
holdings - and instead of it we rather prefer to take the high risk of spiral 
of death - is madness.


Pure madness. This is what almost 50y old cynic may assure you.

Regards
Jaroslaw




W dniu 2022-08-18 17:44:29 użytkownik Billy Tetrud <billy.tet...@gmail.com> 
napisał:
While constant tail emission does in fact converge to 0 inflation over time 
(which bitcoin's halvings do as well mind you), tail emission does *not* solve 
the potential problem of mining rewards, it only delays it. A tail emission of 
200,000 btc/year (~1% of the current supply) would be equivalent to halvings 
every ~50 years rather than every 4 years. Were we to implement this kind of 
thing right after the last non-" destructive" halving, it would buy us 46 years 
of extra time. Nothing more, nothing less.

While its mildly interesting to know that tail emission converges to a stable 
point, while no inflation implies monetary deflation at the rate of loss, this 
feels very likely to be an insignificant problem. I think 1% loss rate per year 
is an absurdly high estimate these days, and the loss rate is likely to 
decrease as methods of storing bitcoin mature. Imagine bitcoin was worth $1 
trillion (not so hard, since it was not too long ago), then try imagining 
people losing $10 billion of bitcoin every year. Highly unlikely IMO. A rate of 
loss of 0.01%/year might be more realistic for a near-future mature bitcoin. 
That's not going to be enough to make a significant difference even over 100s 
of years. 

If we actually wanted to solve the potential problem of not-enough-fees to 
upkeep mining security, there are less temporary ways to solve that. For 
example, if fees end up not being able to support sufficient mining, we could 
add emission based on a constant fraction of fees in the block. For example, 
every block could emit new bitcoin amounting to 10% of the fees collected in 
that block. This would tie coinbase rewards to the real world (since the fee 
market is tied to the real economy) and ensure higher block revenue 
indefinitely - ie not just for another 50 years. 

But its also worth saying that blockchain security (which mining revenue 
correlates with) does *not* need to increase indefinitely. There is some amount 
of security (and therefore some amount of mining revenue) that is sufficient, 
beyond which additional security is simply unnecessary, unwarranted, and 
wasteful (you wouldn't buy a $1000 safe to store $1000 of valuables). Do we, as 
the bitcoin community, have some good idea how much security we need? Do we 
have some idea how costly a 51% attack must be where we can be comfortable it 
will never happen? I'm curious to hear what people think about that. Because 
without having some kind of estimates of what "enough security" is, there's 
absolutely no way of evaluating whether or not its likely that bitcoin fees 
alone will be able to sustain enough security. 


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