On 2023-12-29 15:17, Nagaev Boris wrote:
Feerate-Dependent Timelocks do create incentives to accept out-of-band
fees to decrease in-band fees and speed up mining of transactions
using FDT! Miners can make a 5% discount on fees paid out-of-band and
many people will use it. Observed fees decrease and FDT transactions
mature faster. It is beneficial for both parties involved: senders of
transactions save 5% on fees, miners get FDT transactions mined faster
and get more profits (for the sake of example more than 5%).

Hi Nagaev,

That's an interesting idea, but I don't think that it works due to the free rider problem: miner Alice offers a 5% discount on fees paid out of band now in the hopes of collecting more than 5% in extra fees later due to increased urgency from users that depended on FDTs. However, sometimes the person who actually collects extra fees is miner Bob who never offered a 5% discount. By not offering a discount, Bob earns more money on average per block than Alice (all other things being equal), eventually forcing her to stop offering the discount or to leave the market.

Additionally, if nearly everyone was paying discounted fees out of band, participants in contract protocols using FDTs would know to use proportionally higher FDT amounts (e.g. 5% over their actual desired fee), negating the benefit to miners of offering discounted fees.

-Dave
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