Mike, Gavin,
We started to work on the merchant side to test the integration of our
prototype for the recurring payments. We modified the 'Payment Request
Generator' from Gavin to include a new check box 'set recurring'. We forked the
code and checked in our modification here:
https://github.com/killbill/paymentrequest/commit/e530f6ec528266aacfd076d7c3154ad39267c3f3
We also found a few issues with the code diff that we sent yesterday for
bitcoinj and checked in the bug fixes in our fork-- so the diff sent yesterday
is slightly outdated.
So at this point we have a working prototype for bitcoinj and we are waiting
for your feedbacks. We also started to look at integrating the protocol in Kill
Bill to check that what is proposed supports indeed the business cases of a
full recurring billing platform.
Hope to hear from you guys soon!
On Feb 7, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Stephane Brossier <steph...@kill-bill.org> wrote:
> Mike and all,
>
> Pierre and I just committed a prototype implementation of the recurring
> payment protocol using bitcoinj. You can find the diff on our fork:
> https://github.com/killbill/bitcoinj/commit/40c657c4191498f12539c60316116aa68af368a7
>
> We did not write the server (merchant side), but wanted to have some feedback
> before going deeper (merchant implementation and tests). We did our best to
> build it on top of the existing BIP-0070 protocol-- only a few additions in
> the messages, but no new calls and no new uri scheme. We created a new
> package 'recurring' where most of the new code lives.
>
> At a high level:
>
> 1. Creation of the subscription:
>
> The initial handshake for creating the subscription is exactly similar to the
> one for the payment protocol (PaymentRequest is used to provide the contract)
>
> 2. Wallet can decide to poll the merchants for its active subscriptions.
>
> Here the flow is exactly similar to the payment protocol but the wallet
> receives a callback to verify the payment matches the contract and should go
> through.
>
> Please give us some feedback whenever you have the chance. In the meantime we
> will start implementing the merchant side and test the code.
>
> Cheers!
>
>
>
> On Jan 31, 2014, at 10:13 AM, Mike Hearn <m...@plan99.net> wrote:
>
>> That looks OK at a very high level. Things you probably want to think about:
>> How to trigger it off the existing payment protocol (no new top level
>> messages or mime types or uri extensions please)
>> Data structures to define the payment schedule
>> Do you allow pre-submission of time locked transactions or not?
>> I think as you prototype these things will become clearer. You could try
>> prototyping either in Bitcoin Core (C++) or bitcoinj (java, look at the
>> PaymentSession class).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 3:47 AM, Stephane Brossier <steph...@kill-bill.org>
>> wrote:
>> From what I have seen so far, there seems to be an agreement that this is a
>> nice feature to add. We are pretty new to that community and so we don't
>> know exactly what the process is, and in particular how we reach consensus
>> via email. I am certainly open to follow 'the way' if there is one, but one
>> solution would be to follow Mike's suggestion on providing a (prototype)
>> implementation first and then defining/refining the BIP. Odinn also
>> suggested a possible retribution for our time through crowd-sourcing which I
>> am interested to pursue if that makes sense.
>>
>>
>> We have quite some experience on the subscription side of things and while
>> we are growing our knowledge on the Bitcoin technology (and ecosystem at
>> large) we would benefit from:
>> * some feedbacks on the high level proposal
>> * additional requirements we might have missed
>>
>> So, below is a high level description of what we have in mind. If this
>> sounds reasonable, we could start working on an implementation.
>>
>>
>>
>> I. Abstract
>> ---------------
>>
>> This describes a protocol to enable recurring payments in bitcoins and can
>> be seen as an extension of BIP-0070. The main goal here is to have the
>> customer subscribe to a service of some kind (that is, agreeing on the terms
>> of that subscription contract), and then have the wallet make recurring
>> payments without any intervention from the customer as long as the payments
>> match what the customer agreed on paying.
>>
>> An example of such service would be an online streaming website, to which a
>> user pays a fixed recurring monthly fee to access videos (a.k.a. resources).
>> Note that there is also usage based billing: for example, the user may need
>> to purchase additional access for premium videos (overage charges). This
>> type of billing is more complicated and there are many variations to it used
>> in the industry (pre-paid, …). For the sake of discussion, we’ll focus on
>> fixed recurring payments only, but we will keep usage in mind to make sure
>> the protocol will be able to support it as well.
>>
>>
>> II. Motivation
>> ------------------
>>
>> Subscription based services have been growing in the past few years and so
>> the intent it to make it possible for customers to pay in bitcoins.
>>
>> Bitcoin’s push model presents new advantages for the customer compared to
>> traditional payment methods: the user has control over the subscription (for
>> example, there is no need to call the merchant to explicitly cancel the
>> credit card payments). It also opens the door to subscription management
>> tools in wallets (e.g. Hive apps), which would give user an overview of what
>> they are paying each month.
>>
>>
>> III. Flow of Operations
>> ----------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> Creation of the subscription:
>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>
>> 1. The customer clicks 'subscribe' -> A message is sent to the merchant.
>> 2. The merchant sends back a message to the wallet with the details of the
>> subscription such as the amount to be paid. In reality, there will be more
>> information but for the purpose of the prototype implementation this is
>> sufficient.
>> 3. The wallet prompts the customer for authorization.
>> 4. The customer authorizes (or denies) it.
>> 5. The wallet sends the confirmation to the merchant.
>> 6. The merchant confirms the subscription was created.
>>
>> Ongoing payments:
>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>
>> From that time on and since Bitcoin is a 'push' model, the wallet is
>> responsible to poll the merchant for due payments associated with that
>> subscription. Note that the merchant could specify hints to the wallet on
>> when to poll (specific dates) or not during the registration of the
>> subscription.
>>
>> Note that we can't simply have the wallet push X bitcoins every month: the
>> user account on the merchant side may have gotten credits, invoice
>> adjustments, etc. since the last invoice, so the amount to pay for a given
>> billing period may be lower than the regular amount. It could even be zero
>> if the user decides to make a one-time payment to the merchant directly
>> using a different wallet. Hence, the wallet needs to get the latest invoice
>> balance to make sure how much it should pay. This also opens the door for
>> the support of overage charges.
>>
>>
>> Quick note on the implementation on the merchant side: an entitlement system
>> is a piece of logic on the merchant side which grants the user access to
>> certain resources depending on the account status (unpaid invoices, etc.).
>> This goes often hand in hand with a dunning system, which progressively
>> restricts access as the user's account is more and more overdue. Since
>> wallets can be offline for an extended period of time, payments may be
>> missed and lead to an overdue state (e.g. extra fees, service degraded). It
>> is the responsibility of the customer to ensure the wallet is up often
>> enough for payments to happen.
>>
>>
>> In that recurring phase where the wallet polls the merchant, the wallet is
>> responsible to check that payments match the subscription contract; that is,
>> the amount, frequency of payments, … match what the customer agreed on. If
>> so, the payment is made without asking for explicit approval from customer,
>> and the flow is similar to BIP-0070: The message is sent to the merchant,
>> and in parallel, a transaction is sent to the btcnet. The merchant sends an
>> ACK to the wallet and of course checks the states of the transactions on the
>> btcnet to mark that payment as successful.
>>
>> Subscription change (optional):
>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>
>> Optionally we could implement a change in the ongoing subscription to
>> address the upgrade/downgrade scenarios. Of course, we could also simply
>> support a cancellation followed by a creation of a new subscription, but
>> having that as a one atomic message is probably better. The steps are very
>> similar to the initial registration.
>>
>> 1. The customer clicks 'upgrade', 'downgrade', … -> A msg is sent to the
>> merchant.
>> 2. The merchant sends back a msg to the wallet with the detail of the NEW
>> subscription.
>> 3. The wallet prompts the customer for authorization.
>> 4. The customer authorizes (or denies) it.
>> 5. The wallet sends the confirmation to the merchant.
>> 6. The merchant confirms the change in the subscription.
>>
>> Cancellation of the subscription:
>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>
>> The cancellation is initiated from the customer:
>>
>> 1. The customer clicks 'cancel' -> The wallet is informed that it should
>> not accept any new payment associated to that subscription.
>> 2. The wallet sends a message to the merchant to inform about the
>> cancellation.
>> 3. The merchant confirms the subscription was cancelled.
>>
>>
>>
>
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