Hello Keith:

Except for one major point, I agree with you in everything else!  

" 2. The actual cost for IP Trunking/Virtual PRI is more expensive than a REAL 
PRI from Bell. "

We have Virtual PRI's implemented at client ends that I think is pretty damn 
good, and though we have never come across something called "Unlimited National 
PRI", with a quality solid Internet connection -- the V-PRI's are working 
pretty damn well.

It works well because our VPRI's are configured to our servers hosted at data 
centres.   But I can advise you from first hand experience that our VPRI's are 
less than half of what bell quoted us for their real PRI.  

Comwave are advertising on google in almost every voip site I jump to and it 
points to:
http://www.comwave.net/CDN/company_carrier.htm
>From what I understand based on your experience and mine...  comwave is 
>testing the waters and collecting addresses & contact information in a 
>questionable manner.  

If its too damn good to be true...  it usually is.    When I asked them for DID 
services, they had no idea what I was talking about... and the strange thing is 
I was talking to their business, Carrier & Wholesale team.

Cheers!
Reza.


----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Keith Major | Aquarius Telecom Inc. 
  To: 'Reza - Asterisk Enthusiast' ; 'Toronto Asterisk Business Group' 
  Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:58 AM
  Subject: RE: [biz] Unlimited National PRI & experience dealing with Comwave?


  Hi Reza,

   

  When we were considering going into the VoIP market, we considered reselling 
someone else's services to minimize the risk involved in starting a new 
venture.  We had meetings with a number of providers and found nobody could 
come close to what we were looking for including Comwave.  As you know in our 
chats together we engineered our own solution because, we felt it was the only 
way to provide exactly what we wanted.

   

  We then looked at connecting our platform to the rest of the world - PRIs, IP 
Trunking and so on.  We again approached Comwave to see what they had to offer 
in IP trunking (currently they do not offer real PRIs).  We found 2 faults that 
concerned us; 1. Lack of a quality guarantee; it is IP Trunking after all.  2. 
The actual cost for IP Trunking/Virtual PRI is more expensive than a REAL PRI 
from Bell.

   

  We tried to negotiate but, it didn't get us anywhere and I'll note one more 
thing that we found; there is no such thing as unlimited, we would pay for 
every miniute our clients would call locally and it was billed by the minute 
not the second.  There are more competitive solutions out there and if more 
TAUG Biz member would like to get on board with a Business Co-operative we 
could get better rates/services.

   

  I'll share one more thing in closing.  Before getting into our Hosted PBX 
service, we conducted a market survey of our target audience and found that 
quality came before cost - yes, cost was secondary.  Thus, we centred our 
solution around that ideal. 

   

  See you at IT360,

   

  Keith

   

   

  Keith Major
  Business Development Manager
  Aquarius Telecom Inc.

  www.aquariustel.com

  416.848.6838 ext. 1005

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  From: Reza - Asterisk Enthusiast [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: April 30, 2007 7:14 AM
  To: Toronto Asterisk Business Group
  Subject: [biz] Unlimited National PRI & experience dealing with Comwave?

   

  Hello Business Users:

   

  "COMWAVE:

  Unlimited National PRI, SIP, DID Canada wide service overnight!"

   

  Is this for real?   I've personally encountered problems after problems with 
comwave service.  My folks got it for some long distance savings & their local 
& overseas circuits are JAM PACKED!   On SEVERAL occasions I got fast busy and 
"the line is not in service".  Thought it was fluke...so I called in with my 
cell and voila, exactly the same thing.    

   

  Additionally I've tried to make contact with COMWAVE first hand, to inquire 
about their "Unlimited National PRI, SIP, DID Canada wide service overnight!" 
plans & service and when I did speak to someone senior...  either they knew 
nothing about what I was talking about,  or because I was honest to tell them 
I'm not huge - they were less interested!

   

  As per my experience, I have successfully established contacts with almost 
all major carriers & their vendors.  Most are more than happy to chat and talk 
& provide good info.  Comwave on the other hand was less than enthusiastic.

   

  Anyone deal with them in here at a wholesale & carrier level?  What are your 
experiences?

   

  Best,

  Reza.

   

   

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