My vet has had me use cydectin on and off for years. We may worm once to twice a year and we do the fecal counts each month. We did have an older ewe Last year that started coughing and we bought some cydectin for sheep and goats. We just about lost her. Our vet indicated he found out that the sheep and goat cydectin did not work on his sheep and goats. We just about lost her and did switch back to the cattle brand of cydectin. We use 1cc for every 25 lbs. Mark Fleming
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 5:43 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 4, Issue 79 Send Blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.in fo or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Blackbelly digest..." Today's Topics: 1. down one and another ill (Tracy Wessel) 2. Re: down one and another ill (Cecil Bearden) 3. Re: down one and another ill (Cecil Bearden) 4. I need help on a wormer question! (o johnson) 5. Re: I need help on a wormer question! (Onalee Israel) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:37:01 -0700 From: Tracy Wessel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Blackbelly] down one and another ill To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I posted a few weeks ago about a ewe that had been ill. She'd been down while pregnant and had a swollen and cloudy eye. One dose of LA200 and she was right as rain. She lambed out fine and all seemed well for about 4 weeks. I noticed her lying down again and three days later she was dead despite a dose of LA 200. I wondered if she'd retained a placenta or had a dead lamb in her, but no discharge or smell. In any case I now have a lamb with a swollen eye (have treated) not hers, but the lamb of a ewe that came from the same place as her. I'm wondering... despite really no signs, is this sounding like chlamydia? All my other sheep are healthy and robust. The ewe that died was really wobbly the last day. Appeared to have some neurological disfunction. I do have a foal in hospital with joint ill. Brings about suspect common bacteria. Perhaps if I knew which was affecting the sheep, we could save the foal. Tracy ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 06:36:39 -0500 From: Cecil Bearden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] down one and another ill To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed If I remember, Joint Ill is a staph infection. If it is int he hospital, then the vet should be giving it an antibiotic cocktail... The lamb.. I would give your LA 200 and also 3cc combiotic daily. Also 1cc of Baytril if you can get it... You will also have to give it some probios or a similar supplement to keep the gut working. Since we do not know what the real problem is, we have to use everything to save the animal. This sounds like Chlamydia. Cecil in OKla ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 06:57:51 -0500 From: Cecil Bearden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] down one and another ill To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I did a google search to confirm my original suspicions. It appears that your problems are indeed related. The Merck Manual lists joint ill also in sheep and caused by Erysipelis (sp.) Again, theis sounds very much like a staph infection. I still would use Baytril and Pennicillin. Chlamydia is supposed to be killed with tetracycline, but if it is campylobacter then you need to use all three. Campylobacter has many diferent strains. A joint type infection is usually staph very similar to Arthritis. All of these problems can come from an untreated umbilical cord. The bacterin gets in the soil in the pens. One method states to burn a bale of hay on the area to kill the bacterin. Cecil in OKla ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 07:57:38 -0700 (PDT) From: o johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Blackbelly] I need help on a wormer question! To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I have a yearling ram that has been sick and have been to the vet several times and he keeps on going. Is slowly getting stronger but from him being sick found that some of my guys have worms. The vet thinks it is due to the crazy weather and not having lots of room. I have been worming with ivermectin but have now been told studies are showing it is not working very well on sheep and the vet suggested cydectin and safeguard to rotate and only use ivermect 1 times a year. He wanted me to do the cydectin for the first rotation and told me a few places I could get it cheaper and I now have it in hand. Now here is the problem. He is on vacation for 2 weeks, the wormer states it has not been tried on bred ewes in the US and the tech at the vet clinic will not let me talk to another vet since I did not get it there. I want to get everyone done at the same time so I am asking my fellow BB people for assistance. Can cydectin be used on bred ewes. Mine are all about 1/2 way through pregnancy. Please help. Oneta and The Gang www.johnsonquarterhorses.com ? Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 11:23:49 -0400 From: "Onalee Israel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] I need help on a wormer question! To: <blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, We wormed our sheep with Cydectin in January and our ewes dropped lambs in Feb and March with no problems. I don't recall seeing any warning on our package about bred ewes - we didn't have any problem. Do not use on lambs younger than 3 months - for them we use ivomec drench. I would say that worming with safeguard is like tossing money down the drain - it is worthless. I rotate between cydectin and ivomec injectable (drench for small lambs) - although the vets say that invomec does not work, I continue to have good results with it. I only had a problem when, following vet's advice, I switched to safeguard! I found out about cydectin by contacting a research vet at the Florida A&M University - if you can't get your vet to talk to you, I'm sure this man will be happy to help you - he was very helpful with us. They do research there on sheep and wormers, etc. : Dr. Thomas Peterson (850) 412-5117 [EMAIL PROTECTED] You may also have a university in your state that does research like this who may be able to help out.? Onalee ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ This daily digest is from the Blackbelly mailing list. Visit this list's home page at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info/ End of Blackbelly Digest, Vol 4, Issue 79 ***************************************** _______________________________________________ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
