I have a pasture with only horned intact AB rams. Do they really need a guard 
animal the way the ewes and Pygmy goats do?

Michael W. Smith

On Jun 6, 2013, at 6:50 PM, "rodnas...@gmail.com" <rodnas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Carol this is Rod from Texas,
> The way I keep my black belly sheep safe because I have coyotes and silver 
> foxes. I got me and Jerusalem donkey guard donkey that is. Ever since then I 
> have not lost one Lamb, Ram, or ewe. It eats the same thing my sheep eat. You 
> can't separate him from my sheep he gets mad starts Bellari. It was the best 
> hundred dollar investment I ever made.
> 
> 
> LLRB
> HotRod 3% 
> IV Corps TX
> ICVMC
> 
> 
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "Carol Elkins" <celk...@critterhaven.biz>
> To: <blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info>
> Subject: [Blackbelly] Dead ewe, coyotes? or something else
> Date: Thu, Jun 6, 2013 4:35 pm
> 
> 
> Michael, in 2008 I had a cougar AND a pack of coyotes kill and eat 
> five 90-lb ram lambs in one night. All that was left when I found 
> them the next morning were rib cages, five stomachs (drug away from 
> the carcasses), and a few testicles. The cat had gone over the fence; 
> the coyotes dug under. During the two months that I waited to get a 
> couple of guardian dogs (Great Pyrenees/Anatolian crosses), I lived 
> under siege and patrolled the pastures a couple of times every night 
> with a shotgun.
> 
> The cat came back two weeks later (apparently that is their regular 
> revisiting interval) and killed one of my ewe lambs. I interrupted 
> her at 2AM and watched her jump a 6-ft chainlink fence. She didn't 
> climb up it; she jumped it. I had 4-ft field fencing around all of my 
> paddocks. It stopped nothing until I ran a strand of electric wire 
> along the top. I also put railroad ties along the bottom, inside the 
> fence to discourage digging. And during that time, I also locked the 
> sheep behind bars at night; every opening to their sheds had hog 
> panel wired across it.
> 
> The minute the guardian dogs arrived, the terror stopped. I've slept 
> well every night since them. Because you live in a populated 
> neighborhood, LGDs can create problems with their barking, so that 
> may not be an option for you, although you mentioned a dog sleeping 
> with the sheep. Perhaps get another dog or a better dog? If the dog 
> makes its presence known, generally the predators will stay away 
> because the risk of their being injured is too great.
> 
>  I know how if feels to discover the remains of your flock without 
> having heard a peep in the night. I'm sorry that happened to you.
> 
> Carol
> 
> At 11:17 PM 6/4/2013, you wrote:
>> Or, was it the contents of her stomach after being killed, and then she was
>> dragged? It was a rather large amount, and difficult for me to imagine
>> any of the animals having that much come out at once, normally. Again,
>> there appeared to be no blood on it at all.
> 
> Carol Elkins
> Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep
> (no shear, no dock, no fuss)
> Pueblo, Colorado
> http://www.critterhaven.biz
> 
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