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Today's Topics:
1. Ewe's rejecting lambs (Susan Smith)
2. Re: RE: Ram Needed Close to OKLA (pjemmons)
3. Re: Ewe's rejecting lambs (Bobbie Johnson)
4. Re: Ewe's rejecting lambs ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
5. Re: Ewe's rejecting lambs (Susan Smith)
6. weight of the lambs at 100 days is on average 26 kg. This has been
achieved under poor grazing (hlang)
7. Re: Ewe's rejecting lambs (Kerri Sullivan)
8. Possible problem with lamb? (Marion LoPrinzi)
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Message: 1
From: "Susan Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 21:03:48 +0000
Subject: [blackbelly] Ewe's rejecting lambs
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Hi all, you have probably answered this question a hundred times, but
once
more please. If a Ewe rejects her lamb, is this hereditary, (other
lambing
times) and will she do it again, and again, and again? I understand
that
sometimes they reject because there is something wrong with the
lamb.......but, are there other times ewe's just don't want one of the
twins. Is this something that could be passed from mother to
daughter.......or just this particular ewe at this particular time?
Thanks
in advance, Sue
Hi Sue, we have one that just had twins and for the fourth and last time
she would clean and take care of both then reject the larger one. Each
time I have basically tackled her and we have forced the lamb to nurse.
We lock her up for a week, repeating this procedure, along with giving
it Nutridrench. She finally has taken care of each. This is going to
sound weird, but you might try rubbing some feces from the one she takes
on to the others butt. We have had success doing it this time.
Mark Fleming
Secretary/Treasurer BBSAI
Susan Smith
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From: "pjemmons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [blackbelly] RE: Ram Needed Close to OKLA
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:48:06 -0800
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Cecil,
My brother in law has a choice of two rams with nice horns. He is =
located in Okmulgee, OK. He does not have email. If you are =
interested, you may contact me. =20
Paula Emmons
Tulsa, OK
Anyone out there got a Blackbelly Barbado Ram with good horns for =
sale? Preferably within a days drive of OKlahoma City... I need one =
soon.. I have two 4 month old ones that need to go.....
Cecil Bearden
Piedmont, OKla
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Message: 3
From: "Bobbie Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Ewe's rejecting lambs
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:43:17 -0700
Organization: Ram's Head Ranch
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Hi Sue,
I have one ewe that has twined every time she has lambed. So for the
last
six lambings she has rejected the first born lamb. Regardless of size.
She
will clean and nurse the lamb until the second (which is often smaller)
is
born and starts to nurse. Then the ewe will violently reject the first
lamb.
I have tried to put her into a contraption my hubby made to contain her
so
the lamb can nurse, but she fights like crazy. So, I have bottle raised
3
and gave the last away the second it was rejected to a retired neighbor
to
raise.
Now, none of her ewe lambs have exhibited this type of behavior. The
reasons I keep this ewe is...1. She started our flock. She was the kids
pet
and is easily handled. Also, the rest follow her when I call her.
2. She produces nice lambs and is a good mother to the one she chooses.
So, there you have it...My experiences with "Sweetie Pie", our matron
ewe.
Bobbie
http://www.rams-head-ranch.net
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 19:58:02 EST
Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Ewe's rejecting lambs
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Hi Sue,
I have had three or four sheep reject lambs. They
have been first time mothers usually, but not always.
I have always just taken a sheep halter and tied Momma
in a corner. She has a tab or hay in front of her and a
bucket of water hung up where she can reach it but
the lambs cannot fall into it. Keep her tied for three
days so she can't compare lambs and decide which
one she likes or dislikes and after the three days I
have never had them reject. Maybe they are so grateful
to be loose! I have also seen where the shepherd takes
twins and puts them together in a burlap sack just on
the other side of the ewes pen and just takes them out
to nurse Mom every two hours for a day or two. The
lambs then smell the same and I guess it confuses the
ewe as to who is the rejectee and who is the favorite.
Mona
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Message: 5
From: "Susan Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Ewe's rejecting lambs
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 03:25:18 +0000
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Thank you all for your response.......What a learning experience I am
having
with my first lambs ever. You all are so helpful and give me
hope.......a
wild and wonderful experience forsure! And what an adventure raising a
lamb!! Thanks again, Sue
Susan Smith
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>From: "Bobbie Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Ewe's rejecting lambs
>Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:43:17 -0700
>
>Hi Sue,
>
>I have one ewe that has twined every time she has lambed. So for the
last
>six lambings she has rejected the first born lamb. Regardless of size.
She
>will clean and nurse the lamb until the second (which is often smaller)
is
>born and starts to nurse. Then the ewe will violently reject the first
>lamb.
>
>I have tried to put her into a contraption my hubby made to contain her
so
>the lamb can nurse, but she fights like crazy. So, I have bottle
raised 3
>and gave the last away the second it was rejected to a retired neighbor
to
>raise.
>
>Now, none of her ewe lambs have exhibited this type of behavior. The
>reasons I keep this ewe is...1. She started our flock. She was the
kids
>pet
>and is easily handled. Also, the rest follow her when I call her.
>2. She produces nice lambs and is a good mother to the one she chooses.
>
>So, there you have it...My experiences with "Sweetie Pie", our matron
ewe.
>Bobbie
>http://www.rams-head-ranch.net
>
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From: "hlang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 19:03:59 -0800
Subject: [blackbelly] weight of the lambs at 100 days is on average 26
kg. This has been achieved under poor grazing
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In Nguni and Damara flocks colour pattern like those of Barbados
Blackbelly
are common.
Fat tail sheep are much easier to transport on slave ships, as very
little
feed and water is needed.
I don't believe that thin tail breeds was first choice for long travel.
Working for a few years with African tribal sheep, the Damara,Nguni and
Cameroun may have been in combination the back ground of the African
roots
of our BB.
Anyhow, what me surprised the most, was the gain of the African tribal
sheep. They outperformed Dorper in very short time, in the first 3
months of
live. I'm not out to do any marketing , never sold and Damara or other
tribal sheep.
But I know that no one of all the wool breed sheep I know, would have a
part
of the capacity to gain as fast weight with poor feed as the african
tribal
sheep. Under good growing grass they are ready to slaughter with hin two
months.
May have a look at the page I send here.The kind of sheep are so
hard,that
if by accident the hind legs of a lambs are cut of, they walk on the
front
leg and keeping upright the hind. They would make it and graze, seen
here at
my ranch. Outstanding genetics.
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 05:30:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Kerri Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Ewe's rejecting lambs
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I usually give an ewe two chances before selling her
for rejecting a lamb, as occasionally they just reject
for an unknown reason, but I've had some that were
consistent and so they went to auction.
Kerri
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 06:26:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Marion LoPrinzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: [blackbelly] Possible problem with lamb?
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Hello,
Isabella, our youngest black Barbados ewe at 11 months
delivered a bouncing black ewe lamb. She had
prolapsed a few weeks back, so we put onthe harness
and gave her a few shots of penicillan. Then over the
weekend, she prolapsed again, so on went the harness.
Tuesday, about midmorning, I looked out and saw
membranes hanging from her and Geep, our wooly curious
ram) messing with her. So I ran out to help only to
find that she had already delivered her lamb!!!! I
was
able to catch the lamb, no problem, but Isabella just
wouldn't follow. So I put little lambie into the
lambing pen and I finally was able to get her with a
bucket of corn, of course I had to pick her up to get
her to her lamb.
Everything seemed to be going well until last night, I
went to give her grain for dinner. She wouldn't come
out from under the tarp. I went under to check and
Isabella had little bits of hay and food stuck all
over her muzzle, like she had thrown up. But she and
the lamb were alert. I dumped out the molasses water,
thinking possibly the stickiness caused hay to stick.
Then I noticed that the lambie wanted to nurse, but
Isabella just lay down. So I ran inside and made up
some milk replacer and got about 1/2 oz into the lamb
before Isabella had a fit and the lambie ran to her
and nursed on her. I was able to strip the teats and
get milk out of them on day 1. Now this lamb doesn't
wag her tail while she's drinking, but she comes out
licking her chops and she's warm and her belly fills
up. Also, the lambie has very pale yellow poop. I'm
used to the bright orange poop of lambs. Isabella has
soft poop too.
Do you see any problems with any of this? Am I just
being a nervous Nellie?
Thanks so much for your help,
Marion
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