> Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2014 14:33:11 -0600 > From: Bruce Dubbs <bruce.du...@gmail.com> > To: akhiezer <lf...@cruziero.com>, > BLFS Development List <blfs-dev@linuxfromscratch.org> > Subject: Re: [blfs-dev] ppp/pppoe [was: create-service-dir in > blfs-boo(t)scripts] > > akhiezer wrote: > >> Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2014 11:40:27 -0600 > >> From: Bruce Dubbs <bruce.du...@gmail.com> > >> To: BLFS Development List <blfs-dev@linuxfromscratch.org> > >> Subject: Re: [blfs-dev] ppp/pppoe [was: create-service-dir in > >> blfs-boo(t)scripts] > >> > >> Thomas Trepl wrote: > >>> Am Freitag, 31. Januar 2014, 10:11:35 schrieb Bruce Dubbs: > >>>> Thomas Trepl wrote: > >>>> ... > >>>>> So my question is > >>>>> a) are there (really not enough) people out there who are using ppp to > >>>>> connect to internet so it would make sense to think about a reanimation > >>>>> of ppp at all? > >>>> I doubt it. The page was archived in October 2012 and this is the first > >>>> comment about that. > >>> Yes, I never understood why this has happened... > >>> > > > > > > Thomas: > > Well, sometimes folks look at decisions made in b/lfs, and decide that > > discretion ..., etc: and just continue with - and carry forward - their > > own builds/scripts/notes, rather than tilt at windmills or try to push > > water uphill. > > > > > >>>> > >>>>> b) could a reduction of ppp to pppoe only (moving the remainder to the > >>>>> wiki) motivate some editors/users to bring the page uptodate? It seems > >>>>> so > >>>>> that this is a more or less one-time job as there is no further > >>>>> development at the ppp package (2.4.5 is of 2009). The work is more in > >>>>> the service scripts. > >>>> I'd recommend a hint if you really want to pursue it. ppp is really old > >>>> technology. > > > > > > So is ifconfig, and you seem to want to make some effort to retain that. > > > > > >>> Seems so, last update in 2009, but which other technologie is than to use > >>> for > >>> DSL connections? > >> > >> Probably something like this: > >> > >> http://cmcnet.en.made-in-china.com/product/GoUJMYWFfyVd/China-Thomson-Speedtouch-ST585-V6-54mpbs-4-Port-Wireless-ADSL2-Modem.html > >> > >> Most people who have a computer should be able to afford $18 US. > >> > > > > > > I think that that _totally_ misses the point. Much DSL provision uses > > pppoe/pppoa. If you don't want to use a black-box router, then you'll likely > > want/need to use pppoe/pppoe atop ppp, directly.
s|/pppoe |/pppoa | > > Why does it miss the point? If you want to have a computer, you buy a > system with a cpu, ram, etc. If you want to have an internet > connection, you buy what is needed, whether is is an acoustic modem, dsl > router, or whatever. > But again, Bruce, you seem to be just making remarks peripheral to the issue here: it's absolutely a valid and reasonably common usage case whereby a dsl/&c modem is hooked to an ethernet card in a linux computer that is acting as (perhaps inter alia) a router; not least thus cutting down on 'black-box' items in the network. Are you really saying that any common functionality that is in a consumer- level off-the-shelf router, should not be implemented in a b/lfs built machine - e.g. firewall. rgds, akhiezer > -- Bruce > -- -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
