Em 07-08-2015 15:38, Bruce Dubbs escreveu:
> Our friends in the LFS French translation team have suggested a new
> format for the books.  The actual changes are somewhat minimal.  They
> mostly change the css files and add/change a couple of images.
>
> These are the svn changes before commit (? files need to be added):
>
> M       stylesheets/lfs-xsl/chunk-slave.xsl
> M       stylesheets/lfs-xsl/lfs-print.css
> M       stylesheets/lfs-xsl/lfs.css
> ?       images/chevron-left.png
> M       images/tip.png
> M       images/caution.png
> ?       images/chevron-top.png
> ?       images/menu.png
> M       images/warning.png
> M       images/note.png
> ?       images/chevron-bottom.png
> ?       images/grid-three-up.png
> M       images/important.png
> ?       images/chevron-right.png
> ?       images/tux.png

> 

> The advantage of the new format is that it handles small screens
> quite well. When scrolling, the navigation icons do not move. If the
> browser window is small, the size of the icons adjust and the icon
> text is removed.

I believe that this is completely lost. Therefore, I cannot see why do
the modification.

Yesterday I tried it in a phone and and a tablet. It is all mixed, body
behind the icons and links, a double tap makes it almost impossible to
be used. Screen is completely cluttered, nobody knows what is what.

> 
> We can do this for both LFS and BLFS.
>
> What do you think?
>
> http://anduin.linuxfromscratch.org/~bdubbs/lfs-book-test/index.html
>
>   -- Bruce

I would like to have the original modification accessible for
comparison. Thus, we can easily vote for what we think is progress or
regression.

One more thing:

*Modern* is not synonym of *better*. Quite often, it is an antonym, *worse*.

Em 09-08-2015 18:59, Bruce Dubbs escreveu:
> Fernando de Oliveira wrote:
>> Em 09-08-2015 02:42, Bruce Dubbs escreveu:
>>> Bruce Dubbs wrote:

This post was quite discouraging.

>>> Locked the body in place so the column with the nav links are always the
>>> same (or reasonably the same).  The body is limited in width and not
>>> centered.
>>
>> I'm sorry, I would prefer it to be centred, with a minimum value for the
>> left column.
> 
> For my use, the window does look fairly centered.

Well, at least you agree it is *not* centred. It may happen to appear
centred.

> 
>>>   If the window is too large, then the right side margin grows.
>>>   Looks pretty OK with the window at about 1000 px.  The right margin
>>> starts looking large at about 1200 px.
>>>
>>> I didn't change the boxes in the body, but notice that the corners are
>>> rounded and they have a shaded borders.  Notes have a yellow left thick
>>> border.  Important, Caution, and Warning have a red left thick border.
>>> Contents have a black thick left border.

I would like to see it not ticked but with all background coloured. This
might be ugly, but only can tell if seeing it. Reason: users frequently
skip them (the "Host System Requirements" comes to mind).

>>>
>>> Table of contents for chapters are centered.   You can only get to them
>>> via the Up command from within a Chapter, but that's true of the current
>>> scheme for LFS, but not for BLFS.
>>
>> I'd rather be able to get to them directly, not using up.
> 
> I agree, but I hadn't noticed it before.  We've probably had it this way
> for 10 years.  It will require an xsl wizard to fix and I don't remember
> where I put my wand.  :)

Can't you find in BLFS what you need to fix LFS (even the current one?)

>> Having said that, as I wrote yesterday, when I investigated, behavior
>> was not different for different browsers, it was just a matter of having
>> them with equivalent font sizes.
> 
> And window sizes.


We have a current book with one flaw for 10 years needing a fix. And the
proposal is a new one without a fix for that but with more flaws.

Comparing the new with old version.

Better: an icon and links that always appear.

Worse: almost everything else.

(Yesterday I had in mind a more detailed comparison, but forgot it.)

Perhaps I should not discuss this any longer. Apparently only the
gradient thing I mentioned was taken into account, and seemingly it was
fortuitous, not due to my comment.

If what I write is not relevant, just tell and I will stop wasting your
and my time.

-- 
[]s,
Fernando
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