Thanks for explaining this.  I had another strange issue with Firefox
today.  For some reason, it stopped reading GMail.  This is the
message I got whenever I tried to do so.  Note that Google, Facebook,
and all other sites worked correctly.

"The page isn't redirecting properly
Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for
this address in a way that will never complete.
â–ªThis problem can sometimes be caused by disabling or refusing to
accept cookies."

Not only did I not change anything with my cookie settings, but this
is also a fresh download of Firefox, and it was working fine until the
problem started today.  One minute GMail loaded and the next, it I got
this message.  It works fine on IE.  But IE keeps freezing my computer
with Facebook.  The page would just sit there, and I couldn't close it
unless I rebooted.  When this happened, it would also shut down NVDA,
so that I had to restart it.  As a sidenote, I learned that I can get
to the address bar with alt-f4.

In any case, I'm now using Comet Bird, which is completely accessible
and made by Mozilla, so the commands are almost the same as with
Firefox.  GMail works correctly here, as does XMarks, setting that
worry to rest.  Ebay is acting as it does with Firefox and Internet
Explorer, so I'm honestly beginning to think this is a problem/change
on their end.  If so, then I want to know how I can make the page
revert to the old style.

Thanks,
Eleni

On 08/01/2013, inthaneelf <[email protected]> wrote:
> there not keepers... they are on the spot at the moment files that are
> closed so do not get fouled up by viruses, mse is a superior product and
> the
> two I spoke of are quick spans good only for a week
>
> so no, you do not keep them instead of MSE
>
> you can run them while MSE is running, but you do not keep them.
>
> inthane
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blind-Computing [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf Of Eleni Vamvakari
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 5:35 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Problems with EBay and Facebook
>
> Interesting!  I just started it, and when I went to "about Internet
> Explorer", this is what it said.
>
> "Version: 8.0.6001.18702"
>
> I just wish I knew why I was having these problems.  Also, reguarding
> those antivirus and spyware programs, can I run them while Microsoft
> Security Essentials is on my machine or not?  Can I keep the two on
> together, even if I have to delete MSE?
>
> On 07/01/2013, Rosemarie Chavarria <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I had IE 8 on my old XP computer and had no problem with it. You can try
>> E-bay with IE 8 and hopefully that will help.
>>
>> Rosemarie
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Eleni Vamvakari
>> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 5:59 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Problems with EBay and Facebook
>>
>> I didn't see anything about cash.  I tried deleting cookies and
>> temporary files and nothing helped.  I think I'm using IE 7, but am
>> not sure.  As I said, I hardly ever use that browser.  Can 8 work with
>> XP?  Maybe, that will help.  I still don't get why it's not working
>> with Firefox, as I have the latest version of that as well as of NVDA.
>> Also, it's not that the site doesn't work at all.  I can search, but
>> can't narrow things down.  If I found something that I liked, I could
>> buy it.  But I cannot search properly.
>>
>> On 06/01/2013, inthaneelf <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> well I bought an item on eBay two days ago using win 7, jaws 13, and
>>> i.E.
>>>
>>> 9
>>> and had no troubles with either searching or purchasing my item
>>>
>>> I would advise you try dumping your internet cash and cookies files
>>> using
>>> the tools provided in the tools menu and try it again with I.E.9 or
>>> prior
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> inthane
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Blind-Computing [mailto:[email protected]] On
>>> Behalf Of Eleni Vamvakari
>>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 5:39 AM
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Problems with EBay and Facebook
>>>
>>> The mobile version of Facebook is fairly easy to use.  My main problem
>>> is with Ebay.  I did a system restore last night, but that didn't help
>>> matters.  I found that I am able to choose location and buy it now,
>>> even though they're the strange half links half check boxes.  But
>>> there's still no way for me to sort by price, nor can I enter minimum
>>> and maximum price.  Those fields simply aren't there.  I tried to see
>>> if there was a link to return the classic look, or something of that
>>> nature, but none existed.  This was with Firefox.  It's also worth
>>> noting that, when Internet Explorer still showed the normal site, I
>>> still couldn't purchase anything with it. Every time I would attempt
>>> to do so, the page would freeze on me.  Since I can't copy or edit the
>>> url there, I was forced to copy the entire page of the item into
>>> Notepad, then return to Firefox, go to Ebay and search by item number
>>> so that I could buy it.
>>>
>>> As a sidenote, I ran a full scan with Microsoft Security Essentials.
>>> I can't tell if it found anything, since it's not really accessible,
>>> and I just set it to quarantine and remove any moderate to serious
>>> threats.  But it didn't change the behaviour of Ebay.
>>>
>>> On 04/01/2013, Umair Ijaz <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> i use fb, yes there are less accessibility. but you still can visit
>>>> them and can chit chat with your friends. for chating i use skype 6,
>>>> which give the option to configure fb contacts on it. and for
>>>> notifications i use both mobile version and mainsite also. main site
>>>> has more option so i mostly switch to it. but i am beginner user of
>>>> facebook so fb, so i always prefer that some one should made its
>>>> tutorial with jaws. initial tutorial withjaws are present on jaws
>>>> users list home page but they are about how to make account on fb, so
>>>> i request david and others that if someone has some tutorial regarding
>>>> facebook then please share. if someone write these in text then it
>>>> will take no more than two or three pages in ms word. so if someone
>>>> has sufficient kowledge on the social networking sites either facebook
>>>> or twitter should come up with great contribution in the form of
>>>> tutorial either in text or audio but with jaws. thanks
>>>>
>>>> On 1/3/13, inthaneelf <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> ah, well you could use  jaws, it still works there on eBay (I don't
>>>>> use
>>>>> facebook so can't comment on them), you could update to windows 7
>>>>> which
>>>>> is
>>>>> not that hard to learn and can be customized to look just like XP, or
>>>>> you
>>>>> can play with your dos when it comes out!
>>>>>
>>>>> live and learn, you make it sound bad, when it's actually a good thing
>>>>>
>>>>> inthaneelf
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Blind-Computing [mailto:[email protected]]
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Eleni Vamvakari
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 1:21 PM
>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>> Subject: [Blind-Computing] Problems with Ebay and Facebook
>>>>>
>>>>> Over the past several months, I've been having major problems with
>>>>> Ebay.  I've noticed that the combo boxes for sorting items, as well as
>>>>> the edit boxes for choosing price, and the regular links for things
>>>>> like buy it now, the various categories, location, etc. have all
>>>>> become inaccessible.  They now look like a combination of links and
>>>>> check boxes, which do nothing when I click on them.  I've tried both
>>>>> Firefox, which is my main browser, and Internet Explorer.  Sometimes,
>>>>> they work properly, but now, neither one is working, and these
>>>>> problems appear on both browsers, where previously, I was able to use
>>>>> IE for the purpose.  Firefox also started acting normally, a few days
>>>>> ago, but has now resumed this strange look.  The ad-ons manager in
>>>>> Firefox has also become inaccessible.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also have to use the mobile version of Facebook with both browsers,
>>>>> since it's very difficult to use the main site on Firefox and
>>>>> virtually impossible with IE.  When I get e-mails of notifications
>>>>> from Facebook, they all use the www. version of pages.  But I can't
>>>>> get to the address with IE, as I can with Firefox, in order to edit it
>>>>> to m. so that I can view things on the mobile site.  I also can't
>>>>> update IE, because I'm using Windows XP, and 7 is the last version
>>>>> that will work with my os! So basically, I'm left with only a few
>>>>> options.
>>>>> 1. Change to a version of Windows which I have no idea how to use, and
>>>>> no desire to learn, one which is far more complicated than what I
>>>>> already have.
>>>>> 2. Buy another Mac (which is ridiculously expensive) so that I can
>>>>> upgrade to Mountain Lion, or buy more memory for my Macbook so I can
>>>>> upgrade to Lion. Both have better navigational features than Snow
>>>>> Leopard, but I'm not a huge fan of the Mac.  Please do not suggest to
>>>>> me that I buy an iOS device.  I don't like touch screens and the like,
>>>>> nor do I wish to change to Linux.
>>>>> 3. Continue using Firefox and uninstall/reinstall it every time Ebay
>>>>> starts acting up, hoping that will fix the problem (it didn't today),
>>>>> or I don't like an add-on and need to delete it, or do a system
>>>>> restore each time.
>>>>> 4. Wait for my MS-DOS 7.10 machine, which should be coming soon.  I've
>>>>> heard that these sites are accessible with DOS browsers.
>>>>>
>>>>> For the record, I use NVDA as my screenreader.  Has anyone else
>>>>> experienced these problems?  If so, what solutions have you found?
>>>>> This is really upsetting me!  What's worse is that both Ebay and
>>>>> Facebook have wonderfully accessible mobile pages, but they don't have
>>>>> many of the basic features of their main sites.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Eleni
>>>>>
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