I found if you can break the ice with a bit of humor, the kind we all seem to 
use, the car guys are a pretty good bunch.  When I worked for Pontiac in 
Charlotte, a couple buddies I had let me drive a car to lunch.  Well it wasn't 
to lunch, but the parts guys were teasing about me driving and so my 2 buddies 
got in on the passenger side without saying anything.  I just walked around and 
got behind the wheel and drove away from parts.  Unfortunately the general 
manager was coming back from lunch while this was going on and I got  the talk 
on how dangerous that was.  The owner was cool though.  When we got back from 
lunch he called me in his office.  I was sure that was the  end of my job.  He 
asked to see my drivers license and I told him I left it home.  So he just said 
until I started bringing it to work with me he didn't want me driving any more 
cars.  Each shop I worked in brought about the "You do what?"  And after I did 
my job we were fine.  Of course it was easy to steel tools from me and that 
still burns my butt but there are far more good guys than the bad.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Larry Stansifer 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 7:18 PM
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Sighted and cynical hardware store salespeople


  Bob,

  A number of years ago I had the opportunity to tour Air Flow Research a
  leading manufacturer of high end performance upgrades. Once those guys found
  out that spoke their language, ate my lunch off of the top of my tool box
  and had a beer or two after work you couldn't have asked for a more
  informative and cordial bunch of guys. I was accorded the same respect as
  any other automotive professional.
  Car guys seem to have a sense about other car guys and we seem to hang
  together.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of Bob Kennedy
  Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:50 PM
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Sighted and cynical hardware store salespeople

  The people that actually know what they are doing or talking about aren't
  threatened by anyone or anything. I love the guys I talk to and they can
  explain something while I'm holding it. But you're right the little guys
  shouldn't even be working in a store like that. You can tell they aren't an
  expert in anything.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Barry Levine 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 5:58 PM
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Sighted and cynical hardware store salespeople

  Howdy Folks, 

  I don't know if it's just my own experience, but far and away the best,
  least opinionated, most assisstive and helpful hardware store salespeople
  have been the retired Ace-type trades and handymen. I've always been happy
  when being assisted by someone like that. There's no annoying attitude to
  get around, or waste time educating, or simply getting frustrated over.
  They just help. The more sophisticated among them have sort of knowingly
  taken into account my blindness and problem-solved with me regarding
  alternative techniques for getting something done. Certainly, there's
  always the admonishment about safety, etc. But, I can easily accept that.
  I do it myself to others.

  If ever I've run into some cynicism and ignorance regarding my Blind
  Handyman abilities, it's been from a relatively young clerk in one of the
  big home improvement box stores, such as Home Depot or Menards. Even then,
  I can't always determine if they're being ignorant regarding blindness, or
  simply can't be bothered to open a locked glass case, or sealed package,
  etc.

  Give me Howard Cunningham any day of the week!

  --Barry

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