Not sure how you read it but any of the washers I have been into don't have a 
shut-off valve between the tub and the drain hose. If you pull the hose out of 
the drain or unhook it from the edge of the sink it pumps into and drop it on 
the floor while the machine has water in it you will find the water drains out. 
This is convenient when a pump dies because you can drain the water out of the 
machine without bailing it but, if you don't instal the drain at a level higher 
than your water level in the machine the machine, when on will continuously try 
to fill as the water runs out the drain hose.

Some machines, maybe all these days continuously run the pump recirculating the 
water often through a lint trap. In that case they have a valve which directs 
the pump water through the tub or out the drain. I suppose others only engage 
the pump to push the water out of the machine I can't remember if I have ever 
seen that sort of arrangement.

The instructions for installation on any of the machines I have owned include 
the instruction to keep the hose drain height at some specified height, I think 
30 inches but I don't remember for certain. If the drain doesn't achieve at 
least that height before dropping the machine will self drain.

I suppose if the hose is long enough before that drop to hold a tub full of 
water then it would simply fill the hose then refill the machine from the hose 
when the pump turned off. Similarly, if the hose run was continuous falling 
beyond the level of the tub, once the drain hose  was full it would actually 
suck the water out of the machine. Usually you want an air space where the hose 
fits into the drain or have it fall into something open to the air like a sink 
exactly to prevent that siphon problem.

Front loading machines may be a little different and I noticed in England 
recently there are more of those being built into kitchen cabinets, they 
probably have a more direct connection to the drain and probably a check valve 
just after the pump so the column of water can hold it closed and keep sewer 
gasses returning. Usually in England too the drains don't directly connect to 
the sewer in the same way they do here, they drop into a sort of basin so that 
there is again an air connection. This too may be changing by now and I don't 
know what they do in those huge tower blocks where the volume must be huge but 
even fairly modern housing has a grill along one edge of the building and the 
tail of a drain over it. I suppose they must do something different where there 
is plumbing in a basement I never observed that. Maybe David could comment on 
that.



Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 4:42 AM
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] : tangential to: Very Upset Here!


  Dale, by what you wrote here, it makes me think that the pump for draining 
  a washer isn not a shut off.
  I'm surprised by that,Did I read you incorrectly?
  No offense intended.

  On Sat, 19 Jan 2008, Dale Leavens wrote:
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  > If you run a drain hose into a floor drain, the furnace room or any other 
drain you will need to make sure that there is a high point about the height of 
the washing machine, 36 inches. Otherwise, the washer will drain by syphon 
action while you are trying to wash and before the pump comes on to drain the 
machine.Just bear that in mind.
  >
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