you make a lot of sense as always good sir. Thank you for my continuing 
education.


On Sat, 19 Jan 2008, Dale Leavens wrote:

> Not sure how you read it but any of the washers I have been into don't have a 
> shut-off valve between the tub and the drain hose. If you pull the hose out 
> of the drain or unhook it from the edge of the sink it pumps into and drop it 
> on the floor while the machine has water in it you will find the water drains 
> out. This is convenient when a pump dies because you can drain the water out 
> of the machine without bailing it but, if you don't instal the drain at a 
> level higher than your water level in the machine the machine, when on will 
> continuously try to fill as the water runs out the drain hose.
>
> Some machines, maybe all these days continuously run the pump recirculating 
> the water often through a lint trap. In that case they have a valve which 
> directs the pump water through the tub or out the drain. I suppose others 
> only engage the pump to push the water out of the machine I can't remember if 
> I have ever seen that sort of arrangement.
>
> The instructions for installation on any of the machines I have owned include 
> the instruction to keep the hose drain height at some specified height, I 
> think 30 inches but I don't remember for certain. If the drain doesn't 
> achieve at least that height before dropping the machine will self drain.
>
> I suppose if the hose is long enough before that drop to hold a tub full of 
> water then it would simply fill the hose then refill the machine from the 
> hose when the pump turned off. Similarly, if the hose run was continuous 
> falling beyond the level of the tub, once the drain hose  was full it would 
> actually suck the water out of the machine. Usually you want an air space 
> where the hose fits into the drain or have it fall into something open to the 
> air like a sink exactly to prevent that siphon problem.
>
> Front loading machines may be a little different and I noticed in England 
> recently there are more of those being built into kitchen cabinets, they 
> probably have a more direct connection to the drain and probably a check 
> valve just after the pump so the column of water can hold it closed and keep 
> sewer gasses returning. Usually in England too the drains don't directly 
> connect to the sewer in the same way they do here, they drop into a sort of 
> basin so that there is again an air connection. This too may be changing by 
> now and I don't know what they do in those huge tower blocks where the volume 
> must be huge but even fairly modern housing has a grill along one edge of the 
> building and the tail of a drain over it. I suppose they must do something 
> different where there is plumbing in a basement I never observed that. Maybe 
> David could comment on that.
>
>
>
> Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
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>  Dale, by what you wrote here, it makes me think that the pump for draining
>  a washer isn not a shut off.
>  I'm surprised by that,Did I read you incorrectly?
>  No offense intended.
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>  On Sat, 19 Jan 2008, Dale Leavens wrote:
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>  > If you run a drain hose into a floor drain, the furnace room or any other 
> drain you will need to make sure that there is a high point about the height 
> of the washing machine, 36 inches. Otherwise, the washer will drain by syphon 
> action while you are trying to wash and before the pump comes on to drain the 
> machine.Just bear that in mind.
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