Removal seems reasonable with those numbers. What's the deprecation timeline you're looking for?
On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 9:50:42 AM UTC+1 ssi...@igalia.com wrote: > Hi Yoav, > > https://chromestatus.com/metrics/feature/timeline/popularity/3986 > > Monthly average on 1 Nov: 0.002803% > > On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 8:52:28 AM UTC+2 Yoav Weiss wrote: > >> Link to the use counter? >> >> On Friday, November 5, 2021 at 3:00:27 PM UTC+1 ssi...@igalia.com wrote: >> >>> Average usage during October for font-family: webkit-pictograph was >>> 0.00003094 >>> >>> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 9:44:00 AM UTC+3 yoav...@chromium.org >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I just re-ran the pictograph query and got 3231 results out of ~7.5 >>>> million pages, which puts us back in the 0.04% range. >>>> >>>> Adding a use-counter sounds like a reasonable way to see what actual >>>> usage looks like. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 7:36 AM Frédéric Wang <fw...@igalia.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Le 13/08/2021 à 14:23, Frédéric Wang a écrit : >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Interoperability and Compatibility >>>>> >>>>> This feature was implemented by Apple in 2011 before the Blink fork >>>>> and is still implemented in WebKit. It has never been implemented in >>>>> Firefox. >>>>> >>>>> A HTTPArchive search from March 2020 provided 1903 pages out of >>>>> ~5millions (i.e. 0.0003806%). I'm adding a user counter to actually >>>>> measure >>>>> when a -webkit-pictograph font is actually resolved to the corresponding >>>>> user font setting which may give more accurate/relevant data. >>>>> >>>>> One motivation is to improve interop with Firefox and spec compliance. >>>>> But I'm also trying to refactor our internal font-family implementation >>>>> that is inherited from WebKit time and is a bit messy right now. Original >>>>> generic names like "serif" or "cursive" have web-exposed bugs ; the >>>>> recently implemented "system-ui" too but behaves inconsistently ; and we >>>>> have non-standard values like -webkit-pictograph. Once things are cleaned >>>>> up, we can consider implementing new values like font-family: emoji, >>>>> math, >>>>> fangsong, ui-serif, etc without adding more problems... >>>>> >>>>> ... however, one can also argue that it's would be better to implement >>>>> "font-family: emoji" as a replacement/alias to "font-family: >>>>> -webkit-pictograph" before deprecating/removing the latter. Again, this >>>>> is >>>>> possible but mean we would add more web-exposed bugs / inconsistencies in >>>>> the meantime. >>>>> So I'm not really sure about the best approach. Sending "Intent to >>>>> Prototype" for now and waiting for feedback. >>>>> >>>>> *Gecko*: Positive No support for -webkit-pictograph >>>>> >>>>> *WebKit*: No signal ( >>>>> https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2021-August/031938.html) >>>>> This has been implemented in WebKit since 2011. In general Apple is >>>>> against >>>>> removing features that could potentially break web compat or their >>>>> platform. I asked them to see if they would be happy to add "font-family: >>>>> emoji" as an alias for -webkit-pictograph, as they did for "system-ui". >>>>> In >>>>> general about the current font-family implementation, Myles C. Maxfield >>>>> commented in the github PR to add WPT tests that he is aware of the issue >>>>> and doesn't think it's desirable that these -webkit-* values are >>>>> web-exposed. >>>>> >>>>> *Web developers*: No signals "font-family: emoji" was added in the >>>>> CSS fonts spec, so I guess there is interest to make this more standard. >>>>> I >>>>> was not able to find the github discussion, though. >>>>> >>>>> So just to follow-up here too, >>>>> >>>>> HTTPArchive result from March 2020 from Yoav were: >>>>> >>>>> * -webkit-pictograph alone represented less than 0.04% of pages. >>>>> * -webkit-pictograph + -webkit-body + -webkit-standard represented >>>>> less than 0.1426% >>>>> >>>>> That sounded big, so I had started to prepare a use counter that would >>>>> provide finer measurement (i.e. only measure when the font family setting >>>>> is actually resolved for -webkit-pictograph) : >>>>> https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromium/src/+/2124260 >>>>> >>>>> New results from August 2021 provided by Yoav and Dominik showed that >>>>> together -webkit-pictograph + -webkit-body + -webkit-standard represent >>>>> less than 0.004% of HTTPArchive pages so it's an order of magnitude >>>>> smaller. >>>>> >>>>> Reference doc: >>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nYJzL-MWQrTmf9Z-KscTWuM_5n6-IVdJeEllJ3Appro >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Frédéric Wang >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "blink-dev" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to blink-dev+...@chromium.org. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/e6efc0e1-34a4-8546-a03e-53d69871ded5%40igalia.com >>>>> >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/e6efc0e1-34a4-8546-a03e-53d69871ded5%40igalia.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "blink-dev" group. 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