(1) There's a thought to pipe OS-level data saver settings into
(Sec-CH-)Save-Data, but this work is not underway as far as I know.

(2) We're not making `Save-Data` subject to `Sec-CH-Save-Data`'s
permissions policy (`CH-Save-Data`). What I'm saying is that "explicitly
requesting Sec-CH-Save-Data or modifying the CH-Save-Data permissions
policy *will prevent* the old `Save-Data` header from being sent."

~ Ari Chivukula (Their/There/They're)


On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 1:29 AM Mike West <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 7:57 PM Ari Chivukula <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> (1) Can we omit the header when the value would be `?0` (false)?
>>
>> I'm fine with that, and it would be worth updating the existing client
>> hint standard to allow the conflation of empty/missing values in cases
>> where headers are sent by default. It's not worth the bytes to clarify the
>> header is empty, especially when it's about saving data :-P
>>
>
> SGTM. That seems like a reasonable pattern to document: I filed
> https://github.com/WICG/client-hints-infrastructure/issues/99.
>
> (2) Why add this new name if we have the existing header? Can't we just
>> have the permission policy apply to the old name?
>>
>> Chrome on Android is removing 'lite mode', which is the only case I'm
>> aware of which causes `Save-Data: on` to be sent. We have a chance here to
>> add the new name and policy, then follow up with a removal of the old name
>> while it's not even being sent. The removal isn't a part of this intent,
>> but in any case where `Sec-CH-Save-Data` is explicitly requested or the
>> `CH-Save-Data` policy is touched the old `Save-Data` header wouldn't be
>> sent at all under this intent.
>>
>
> Hrm. This sounds quite different from what was in the original intent. :)
> Two followups, if you don't mind:
>
> 1.  Does this intent also introduce a new triggering mechanism which would
> cause the header to be sent? My assumption was that we'd be basing this on
> the user's "lite mode" choice. If we're removing that, what's left?
>
> 2.  If you're additionally planning to change `Save-Data`'s behavior to
> make it subject to the `CH-Save-Data` policy, then it seems like the only
> advantage of introducing a new header is naming consistency with other
> client hints. Have y'all done any analysis to determine how many sites rely
> upon the current spelling of the header to change user-facing behavior? It
> seems like there might be strong reliance interests here, given the
> header's long tenure.
>
> -mike
>
>
>> ~ Ari Chivukula (Their/There/They're)
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 11:05 AM Mike West <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Avi!
>>>
>>> Two questions, one small, one large:
>>>
>>> First, to reduce header bloat, the approach of not sending headers by
>>> default whose value is `?0` seems reasonable. Fetch Metadata's 
>>> `Sec-Fetch-User`
>>> header <https://www.w3.org/TR/fetch-metadata/#abstract-opdef-set-user>
>>> is a good example of this. Can you help me understand why that's not the
>>> right thing to do here?
>>>
>>> Second, and more fundamentally, if we're not planning to remove
>>> `Save-Data`, adding this header doesn't make much sense to me. We'll be
>>> adding this new header to every request alongside `Save-Data`, with the
>>> same value as `Save-Data`. That feels purely duplicative. Can you help me
>>> understand the value? (If integration with permission policy is valuable
>>> (and I can understand how it could be!), did you consider carving out a
>>> naming exception for this header, and applying the policy control to the
>>> `Save-Data` header? It seems like we'd have to do that anyway in order for
>>> the policy control to have any meaning.)
>>>
>>> -mike
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 8:26 PM Ari Chivukula <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sorry for not including timeline info. The plan is:
>>>> M102 will include the new Sec-CH-Save-Data header.
>>>> No plan to remove the legacy Save-Data header at this moment.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 7:57 AM Ari Chivukula <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Fixing the subject prefix, apologies.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 7:55 AM Ari Chivukula <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Contact emails
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [email protected], [email protected],
>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Design Doc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sRYGWL2H_qFQamffUbojBiQdbJ1uAmptr3F_jjx5VSI/edit
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Specification
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://wicg.github.io/savedata/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://wicg.github.io/client-hints-infrastructure/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Summary
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Sec-CH-Save-Data client hint
>>>>>> <https://wicg.github.io/client-hints-infrastructure/> indicates
>>>>>> whether the user agent intends to reduce data usage. It will be sent by
>>>>>> default on all requests unless the permissions policy says otherwise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For example, one could limit delegation of this hint via HTTP headers:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Permissions-Policy: ch-save-data=(self, https://bar.com/)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or, one could limit delegation of this hint via an HTML meta tag:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <meta name="Accept-CH" content="sec-ch-save-data=(https://bar.com/)">
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Example of new HTTP header when Data Saver is on:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sec-CH-Save-Data: ?1
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Example of new HTTP header when Data Saver is off:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sec-CH-Save-Data: ?0
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Explicitly requesting Sec-CH-Save-Data or modifying the CH-Save-Data
>>>>>> permissions policy will prevent the old `Save-Data` header from
>>>>>> being sent. Otherwise, the old header will not be affected.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Blink component
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Blink>Network>ClientHints
>>>>>> <https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/list?q=component%3ABlink%3ENetwork%3EClientHints>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Motivation
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The current `Save-Data` header is sent when a browser or operating
>>>>>> system data saver setting is on (e.g., Lite mode
>>>>>> <https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/2392284?hl=en&co=GENIE.Platform%3DAndroid>)
>>>>>> for all first and third party requests, lives outside the client
>>>>>> hints system <https://wicg.github.io/client-hints-infrastructure/>,
>>>>>> and is named improperly
>>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/u/1/d/1yhVLyEIpDhhDQf698WkvXBiPcLwxEgCBI4o1FjvXwfM/edit>.
>>>>>> `Sec-CH-Save-Data` will be a proper client hint and its delegation to 
>>>>>> third
>>>>>> parties could be prevented via permissions policies
>>>>>> <https://wicg.github.io/client-hints-infrastructure/#policy-controlled-features>
>>>>>> .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TAG review
>>>>>>
>>>>>> N/A (No new data is exposed that wasn't before)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Compatibility
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The `Save-Data` header will not be removed, so adoption of
>>>>>> `Sec-CH-Save-Data` is optional.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Interoperability
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gecko: Client Hints not yet implemented (considered non-harmful
>>>>>> <https://mozilla.github.io/standards-positions/#http-client-hints>)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WebKit: Client Hints not yet implemented
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Web developers: No feedback yet
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Debuggability
>>>>>>
>>>>>> N/A
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this feature fully tested by web-platform-tests?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not yet, but it will be. `Save-Data` tests are here
>>>>>> <https://github.com/web-platform-tests/wpt/search?q=save-data>.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tracking bug
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://crbug.com/1293443
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Link to entry on the Chrome Platform Status
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://chromestatus.com/feature/5645928215085056
>>>>>>
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