Thanks all, for your support and the LGTMs. I appreciate the API owners, the Mozilla folks and the others, who reviewed this feature carefully and gave us the advice to make this feature interoperable and be an important step on future improvements on the Web Platform.
I'll continue to invest in standards. Thanks! On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 2:11 PM Yoav Weiss <yoavwe...@chromium.org> wrote: > LGTM3 > > I was similarly convinced by the team's efforts and by various folks > chiming in that this has a good chance of reaching eventual interop on its > own. The use cases this tackles span origin isolation, delivery and > performance (despite the lack of cache awareness in the current version), > and I'm hopeful that this would be an important stepping stone on which > future improvements will be built. Thanks!! > > On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 4:15 AM Chris Harrelson <chris...@chromium.org> > wrote: > >> LGTM2 >> >> Web bundles team: thank you for your thoroughness in responding to >> concerns raised in the TAG review, Mozilla standards position, and various >> offline conversations. I also appreciate those who weighed in on the thread >> with additional sites that would use this feature, and the multiple use >> cases mentioned. >> >> At first, I was concerned about the risk of not achieving eventual >> interoperability, because of the limited data from experimenting sites and >> mixed or possibly negative signals from other browser vendors. The >> additional data mentioned above, on top of the existing ads-related use >> case from the original intent, and coupled with my belief that the team >> will continue to invest in standards in this area, leads me to conclude >> that this feature is worth shipping now. >> >> >> On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 8:37 AM Alex Russell <slightly...@chromium.org> >> wrote: >> >>> There are high-scale operational challenges to distributing content >>> optimally in many scenarios (e.g., Store packaged first-run or >>> out-of-the-box-experiences) that need more than what Service Workers alone >>> can provide. We are positive about this technology because it can help >>> address those problems and open up new product opportunities (that we >>> cannot say more about). >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> >>> Alex >>> >>> On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 10:26:28 AM UTC-7 bema...@microsoft.com >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >> You could have used a service worker and cache things in order to >>>> get the same thing, combined with progressive web applications for >>>> installability. >>>> >>>> This is true, but I think ergonomics of an encapsulated >>>> page/application make it easier to reason about for very large >>>> applications. Maintaining the service worker and the cache at scale can >>>> become a barrier to entry for some developers and applications. >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 10:12:33 AM UTC-7 PhistucK wrote: >>>> >>>>> Not that I am against, but does this unlock previously locked >>>>> opportunities in the specific examples you just mentioned? >>>>> You could have used a service worker and cache things in order to get >>>>> the same thing, combined with progressive web applications for >>>>> installability. >>>>> >>>>> ☆*PhistucK* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 4:35 PM 'Ben Mathwig' via blink-dev < >>>>> blin...@chromium.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Microsoft has a strong interest in seeing this feature ship. We >>>>>> believe that sub-resource bundling is opening the door to a new way of >>>>>> shipping and delivering offline web applications, changing the >>>>>> traditional >>>>>> definition of “web application”. >>>>>> >>>>>> Here are some ways Microsoft products can take advantage of this: >>>>>> >>>>>> *PowerApps* >>>>>> >>>>>> Microsoft PowerApps allows a developer to author an application and >>>>>> deploy to iOS, Android, and the web. The first two platforms allow >>>>>> applications to be deployed and used when the device is offline, but the >>>>>> latter is currently not “installable” on the device. Web bundling could >>>>>> unlock the capability for a web application to be “installed” on a device >>>>>> to operate offline. >>>>>> >>>>>> *Office Online* >>>>>> >>>>>> Office productivity web applications are a perfect example of >>>>>> applications that could benefit from a packaged bundle of application >>>>>> resources. Combined with local storage APIs, this could help developers >>>>>> reach communities that have little to no network connectivity. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> While there have been concerns brought up by the community, we >>>>>> welcome the opportunity to collaborate on addressing these issues in the >>>>>> next iteration of this project. We feel confident we can resolve them in >>>>>> a >>>>>> way that preserves the integrity of the open web. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Ben Mathwig >>>>>> Senior Product Manager >>>>>> Microsoft Edge Web Platform >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 6:28:50 PM UTC-7 deno...@chromium.org >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am sharing the feedback from the Origin Trial with 12 participants: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 10 of them responded "Extremely likely" to "How likely are you >>>>>>> to keep using this feature?" >>>>>>> - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Qualitative feedback: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "I'm very excited about the CSP interpretation change rolling >>>>>>> out in M92" >>>>>>> - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "looking forward to the CSP fix!" >>>>>>> - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "I'm very glad you're working on this!" >>>>>>> - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "This feature is great! I'd love to see it fully launch" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Daisuke >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 5:38 AM 'Jeff Kaufman' via blink-dev < >>>>>>> blin...@chromium.org> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, Otto! As someone who used to work on mod_pagespeed I >>>>>>>> wanted to give a bit more context on how web bundles improve on what is >>>>>>>> possible for automatic site optimization tools like mod_pagesped: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. Combining many small images into a single file otherwise >>>>>>>> requires spriting (with css to identify which area of the image you >>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>> for each usage) and mod_pagespeed's ability to do that automatically >>>>>>>> (sprite_images >>>>>>>> filter <https://www.modpagespeed.com/doc/filter-image-sprite>) is >>>>>>>> limited. It needs to understand the site's css and the publisher >>>>>>>> needs to >>>>>>>> have already set their css up to minimize the changes required. With >>>>>>>> bundles it is much simpler: you put all the tiny image files in the >>>>>>>> bundle, >>>>>>>> and you rewrite the URLs to point into the bundle. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2. Combining many small css or js files into a single file ( >>>>>>>> combine_css <https://www.modpagespeed.com/doc/filter-css-combine>, >>>>>>>> combine_js <https://www.modpagespeed.com/doc/filter-js-combine>) >>>>>>>> requires hacks to prevent invalid css or js from breaking the rest. >>>>>>>> It's >>>>>>>> reasonably common that publishers will have <link rel=stylesheet >>>>>>>> href=invalid.css> that doesn't parse, and if you blindly concatenate >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> other css you will change the layout on the page. Since automatic site >>>>>>>> optimization tools like mod_pagespeed want to make the site load faster >>>>>>>> without making any changes to how the site looks, that isn't >>>>>>>> acceptable. >>>>>>>> Same issue with js. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3. Today you need to have separate files for combined images, css, >>>>>>>> and js. With web bundles there can be just one. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jeff >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 1:11:16 PM UTC-4 Otto van der Schaaf >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As a maintainer of mod_pagespeed <https://www.modpagespeed.com/>, >>>>>>>>> I would love to see this ship. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 5:42:15 PM UTC+2 slightlyoff via >>>>>>>>> Chromestatus wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Microsoft would like to see this ship ASAP. LGTM1 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "blink-dev" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to blink-dev+...@chromium.org. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/45f97f97-7db0-42ee-bea8-d01ddb344ba6n%40chromium.org >>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/45f97f97-7db0-42ee-bea8-d01ddb344ba6n%40chromium.org?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "blink-dev" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to blink-dev+...@chromium.org. >>>>>> >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/81ea3aac-58c3-4a77-941a-b647c03b2edfn%40chromium.org >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/81ea3aac-58c3-4a77-941a-b647c03b2edfn%40chromium.org?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "blink-dev" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to blink-dev+unsubscr...@chromium.org. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/6e6886f3-b5e6-4818-9edd-0acb9364e745n%40chromium.org >>> <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/6e6886f3-b5e6-4818-9edd-0acb9364e745n%40chromium.org?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "blink-dev" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to blink-dev+unsubscr...@chromium.org. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/CAOMQ%2Bw8RF%2B8r8xgiMjvfkg71%2BJEw1J5JfdzTptnYJTSRt9T5AQ%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/CAOMQ%2Bw8RF%2B8r8xgiMjvfkg71%2BJEw1J5JfdzTptnYJTSRt9T5AQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "blink-dev" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to blink-dev+unsubscr...@chromium.org. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/CAL5BFfWvwR71_22zF5DR-iSr6ozfUbHR%2BOxLMcvQ70iap%3DsoVA%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/CAL5BFfWvwR71_22zF5DR-iSr6ozfUbHR%2BOxLMcvQ70iap%3DsoVA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- Hayato -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "blink-dev" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to blink-dev+unsubscr...@chromium.org. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/CAFpjS_3sQTfJW%3DTLS7s5SAsFM6ZHzkGooB%3DK3u4q_D9Qf4gmfQ%40mail.gmail.com.
