On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 8:26 PM Ayu Ishii <a...@chromium.org> wrote: > Hi Mike! > > With the current usage measurements we see, we hadn't considered any > enterprise policy for opt-out. > But certainly can follow the process to do so if you feel that there may > be risk of undercounting. > Deprecation of WebSQL in third-party contexts added a policy that lasted 3 > milestones after deprecation before full removal as an example. > Although the usages were quite different from that deprecation, we can > follow the same process if this sounds reasonable. >
I think this plan sounds good. LGTM1 once you have an enterprise opt-out in place that will remain for 3 milestones. Also please make sure to communicate this change in the enterprise notes and other communication channels. > > - Ayu > > On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 10:57:01 PM UTC-7 Mike West wrote: > >> I'm happy to see this moving forward, thanks for pushing it ahead! >> >> That said, this seems like the kind of thing that's likely-enough to >> impact enterprise that we should include a temporary opt-out to give >> ourselves some wiggle room if it turns out that we're undercounting usage. >> Have y'all already put something like that together? >> >> -mike >> >> >> On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 2:18 AM Ayu Ishii <a...@chromium.org> wrote: >> >>> >>> *Contact emails*a...@chromium.org, jsb...@chromium.org, >>> ajayrahate...@google.com >>> >>> >>> *Specification*https://www.w3.org/TR/webdatabase/ >>> >>> >>> *Summary*We intend to deprecate and remove usage of WebSQL in >>> non-secure contexts. Deprecation is targeted for M105 and removal is >>> targeted for M107. >>> >>> >>> *Blink component*Blink>Storage>WebSQL >>> <https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/list?q=component:Blink%3EStorage%3EWebSQL> >>> >>> >>> *Motivation*The Web SQL Database standard was first proposed in April >>> 2009 and abandoned in November 2010. Gecko never implemented this feature >>> and WebKit deprecated this feature in 2019 >>> <https://github.com/WebKit/WebKit/commit/761bce943c0696a6bb93116eb0576ed07dbfdc65>. >>> The W3C encouraged those needing web databases to adopt Web Storage >>> <https://www.w3.org/TR/webstorage/> or Indexed Database >>> <https://www.w3.org/TR/IndexedDB/>. >>> >>> WebSQL has been deprecated and removed >>> <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev/c/TM6YDx1Hh08> >>> for third-party contexts in M97. >>> >>> We hope to entirely deprecate and remove WebSQL at some future point >>> when usage is low enough. >>> >>> >>> *TAG review*N/A >>> >>> Risks >>> Based on usage measurements >>> <https://chromestatus.com/metrics/feature/timeline/popularity/4073> >>> rolled out in M97, 0.005% of page loads use WebSQL in a non-secure >>> context. Less than 0.01% of top sites have adopted this feature. >>> >>> Out of the 20 top sites listed for the month of April 2022, 11 of the >>> sites use a feature detection library Modernizr 1.5 >>> <https://modernizr.com/news/modernizr-15>, on a version released in >>> 2010. This would create a test database to check feature availability. I >>> was unable to reproduce the creation of other WebSQL databases outside of >>> the one created by Modernizr on these sites. 4 sites that seem to use an >>> outdated >>> private mode detection script <https://stackoverflow.com/q/48169810> >>> which was intended for older versions of iOS. All the scripts I have found >>> checked if window.openDatabase existed before usage, likely due to the lack >>> of support in Gecko and WebKit. >>> >>> Interoperability and Compatibility >>> >>> Gecko: Never implemented >>> >>> WebKit: Deprecation shipped in iOS 13 and Safari 13 >>> <https://trac.webkit.org/changeset/277564/webkit> >>> >>> Web developers: No signals >>> >>> >>> *Debuggability*N/A >>> >>> Is this feature fully tested by web-platform-tests >>> <https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/main/docs/testing/web_platform_tests.md> >>> ? >>> Not fully, one test >>> <https://source.chromium.org/chromium/chromium/src/+/main:third_party/blink/web_tests/external/wpt/clear-site-data/support/test_utils.sub.js;l=136> >>> checks the availability of the feature. >>> >>> >>> *Tracking bug*https://crbug.com/1212492 >>> >>> Link to related intents >>> Intent to Deprecate and Remove: WebSQL in third-party contexts >>> <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev/c/TM6YDx1Hh08> >>> >>> >>> *Link to entry on the Chrome Platform Status* >>> https://chromestatus.com/feature/5175124599767040 >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "blink-dev" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to blink-dev+unsubscr...@chromium.org. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/bc5f407d-e6fe-4743-ae46-84541d271a92n%40chromium.org >>> <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/bc5f407d-e6fe-4743-ae46-84541d271a92n%40chromium.org?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "blink-dev" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to blink-dev+unsubscr...@chromium.org. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/aa706101-184b-4a25-a446-6643a96e062fn%40chromium.org > <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/aa706101-184b-4a25-a446-6643a96e062fn%40chromium.org?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "blink-dev" group. 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