Yes. Carl, does your app depend on Web SQL, webkitStorageInfo, or something else?
On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 6:55 PM Carl Turechek <carlturec...@gmail.com> wrote: > You'll break an app I developed to be passed around as a single html file. > Hope you'll provide us plebs some guidance on finding a replacement > solution. > > On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 1:22:34 PM UTC-5 mo...@google.com > wrote: > >> I've done a more thorough search for examples of webkitStorageInfo and of >> WebSQL in insecure contexts on the web. Among the top 10K sites, the only >> usage I found was from standard libraries - and, in these cases, removal >> wouldn't cause an error or affect any functionality. >> >> No one in Enterprise at Google, Microsoft, or Salesforce has uncovered >> usage among their partners either. >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 11:51 AM 'Thomas Steiner' via blink-dev < >> blin...@chromium.org> wrote: >> >>> The developer-facing documentation is being updated in >>> https://github.com/GoogleChrome/developer.chrome.com/pull/4299. >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 12, 2022 at 12:26 AM Ayu Ishii <ay...@chromium.org> wrote: >>> >>>> We've done some extra communications with enterprise partners and have >>>> come up with a new target milestone. >>>> The new target milestone for this removal is M110, with enterprise >>>> policy available for 2 milestones (M110-111). >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> Ayu >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 7:49:00 PM UTC-7 Ayu Ishii wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thank you all for the approvals! >>>>> And thank you miketaylr@ for the HTTPArchive analysis! >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 1:12:55 PM UTC-7 Mike Taylor wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 6/1/22 3:52 PM, Yoav Weiss wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> LGTM3 >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 8:58 PM Mike Taylor <mike...@chromium.org> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 6/1/22 1:34 PM, Chris Harrelson wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 8:26 PM Ayu Ishii <ay...@chromium.org> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Mike! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> With the current usage measurements we see, we hadn't considered >>>>>>>> any enterprise policy for opt-out. >>>>>>>> But certainly can follow the process to do so if you feel that >>>>>>>> there may be risk of undercounting. >>>>>>>> Deprecation of WebSQL in third-party contexts added a policy that >>>>>>>> lasted 3 milestones after deprecation before full removal as an >>>>>>>> example. >>>>>>>> Although the usages were quite different from that deprecation, we >>>>>>>> can follow the same process if this sounds reasonable. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think this plan sounds good. LGTM1 once you have an enterprise >>>>>>> opt-out in place that will remain for 3 milestones. Also please make >>>>>>> sure >>>>>>> to communicate this change in the enterprise notes and other >>>>>>> communication >>>>>>> channels. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A couple of notes I took last Friday and forgot to post: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I dumped the list of sites from HTTPArchive (query below) and after >>>>>>> de-duping them, ended up with 835 sites. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I then ran a script which naively looks at response codes, and got >>>>>>> the following results: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2XX count: 685/835 >>>>>>> 3XX to HTTP endpoint count: 74/835 >>>>>>> 4XX count: 3/835 >>>>>>> 5XX count: 2/835 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, from this dataset, roughly 9% of those redirect to an HTTP >>>>>>> endpoint. >>>>>>> >>>>>> This should say HTTPS, not HTTP. I am bad at typing. >>>>>> >>>>>> That said, I think reducing risk of breakage for enterprise >>>>>>> environments is a useful and friendly thing to do. LGTM2 w/ that done. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> SELECT >>>>>>> rank, >>>>>>> url, >>>>>>> FROM >>>>>>> `httparchive.blink_features.features` >>>>>>> WHERE feature = 'OpenWebDatabaseInsecureContext' >>>>>>> ORDER BY rank ASC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Ayu >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 10:57:01 PM UTC-7 Mike West wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm happy to see this moving forward, thanks for pushing it ahead! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That said, this seems like the kind of thing that's likely-enough >>>>>>>>> to impact enterprise that we should include a temporary opt-out to >>>>>>>>> give >>>>>>>>> ourselves some wiggle room if it turns out that we're undercounting >>>>>>>>> usage. >>>>>>>>> Have y'all already put something like that together? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -mike >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 2:18 AM Ayu Ishii <ay...@chromium.org> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Contact emails *ay...@chromium.org, jsb...@chromium.org, >>>>>>>>>> ajayra...@google.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Specification *https://www.w3.org/TR/webdatabase/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Summary *We intend to deprecate and remove usage of WebSQL in >>>>>>>>>> non-secure contexts. Deprecation is targeted for M105 and removal is >>>>>>>>>> targeted for M107. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Blink component *Blink>Storage>WebSQL >>>>>>>>>> <https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/list?q=component:Blink%3EStorage%3EWebSQL> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Motivation *The Web SQL Database standard was first proposed in >>>>>>>>>> April 2009 and abandoned in November 2010. Gecko never implemented >>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>> feature and WebKit deprecated this feature in 2019 >>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/WebKit/WebKit/commit/761bce943c0696a6bb93116eb0576ed07dbfdc65>. >>>>>>>>>> The W3C encouraged those needing web databases to adopt Web >>>>>>>>>> Storage <https://www.w3.org/TR/webstorage/> or Indexed Database >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.w3.org/TR/IndexedDB/>. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> WebSQL has been deprecated and removed >>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev/c/TM6YDx1Hh08> >>>>>>>>>> for third-party contexts in M97. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We hope to entirely deprecate and remove WebSQL at some future >>>>>>>>>> point when usage is low enough. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *TAG review *N/A >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Risks >>>>>>>>>> Based on usage measurements >>>>>>>>>> <https://chromestatus.com/metrics/feature/timeline/popularity/4073> >>>>>>>>>> rolled out in M97, 0.005% of page loads use WebSQL in a non-secure >>>>>>>>>> context. Less than 0.01% of top sites have adopted this feature. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Out of the 20 top sites listed for the month of April 2022, 11 of >>>>>>>>>> the sites use a feature detection library Modernizr 1.5 >>>>>>>>>> <https://modernizr.com/news/modernizr-15>, on a version released >>>>>>>>>> in 2010. This would create a test database to check feature >>>>>>>>>> availability. I >>>>>>>>>> was unable to reproduce the creation of other WebSQL databases >>>>>>>>>> outside of >>>>>>>>>> the one created by Modernizr on these sites. 4 sites that seem to >>>>>>>>>> use an outdated >>>>>>>>>> private mode detection script >>>>>>>>>> <https://stackoverflow.com/q/48169810> which was intended for >>>>>>>>>> older versions of iOS. All the scripts I have found checked if >>>>>>>>>> window.openDatabase existed before usage, likely due to the lack of >>>>>>>>>> support >>>>>>>>>> in Gecko and WebKit. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Interoperability and Compatibility >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Gecko: Never implemented >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> WebKit: Deprecation shipped in iOS 13 and Safari 13 >>>>>>>>>> <https://trac.webkit.org/changeset/277564/webkit> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Web developers: No signals >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Debuggability *N/A >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Is this feature fully tested by web-platform-tests >>>>>>>>>> <https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/main/docs/testing/web_platform_tests.md> >>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>> Not fully, one test >>>>>>>>>> <https://source.chromium.org/chromium/chromium/src/+/main:third_party/blink/web_tests/external/wpt/clear-site-data/support/test_utils.sub.js;l=136> >>>>>>>>>> checks the availability of the feature. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Tracking bug 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