On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 6:46:00 PM UTC-8 Domenic Denicola wrote:
On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 10:55 AM Yotam Hacohen <yo...@google.com> wrote: Hey Dominic and thanks for the input! On Sunday, February 4, 2024 at 7:34:53 PM UTC-8 Domenic Denicola wrote: It's always exciting to move such an old feature from nonstandard to standardized! On Sat, Feb 3, 2024 at 4:18 AM 'Yotam Hacohen' via blink-dev < blin...@chromium.org> wrote: Contact emailsyo...@google.com ExplainerNone FWIW, I think the contents of https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/pull/9699 and https://drafts.csswg.org/css-viewport/#zoom-property are probably a good enough explainer. It might be a good idea to update ChromeStatus to link to them. Added those. Thanks! Specificationhttps://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/pull/9699 Design docs https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AcnDShjT-kEuRaMchZPm5uaIgNZ4OiYtM4JI9qiV8Po/edit Summary Aligns the existing implementation of the previously non-standard CSS zoom property to align with the new standard. This changes various JS APIs to align with the spec (see design doc), change zoom to apply to iframes, and change it to apply to all inherit all length properties (currently it only changes inherited font-size) Blink componentBlink>Paint <https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/list?q=component:Blink%3EPaint> TAG reviewNone TAG review statusPending Probably this fits under the first exception here <https://www.chromium.org/blink/guidelines/api-owners/process-exceptions/>. Risks Interoperability and Compatibility There is web compatibility risk for these changes. However, previous research indicates broken content due to unexpected changes of the JS APIs is very unlikely, since: * The changes to the JS API simply change the coordinate space of the responses, not the syntax or what APIs are available. * Most pages found during the research didn't appear to use CSS zoom at all and the ones that did only relied on the visual effect, not JS APIs. It's possible some pages will be broken by the changes to inherited properties other than font-size, or applying zoom to sub-frames, but based on previous research, those are very likely to be minor visual changes that don't break fundamental user interaction with the site. None of the sites reviewed contained iframes underneath a zoomed ancestor. We will use direct outreach to avoid any broken features in Office 365 or the Gmail native mobile app Can you give more quantitative details on this previous research? E.g. when you say "most pages", is that 3/5 pages? 99/100? Sampling pages from the doc, I couldn't find even one example of a page that uses zoom in a way that will change it's behavior (i.e. - calling GetBoundingClientRect or GetBoundingRects on an element with CSS zoom). I also compared those sites visually side by side on a stable version of chrome and a local version with the planned changes in effect, and couldn't see any change. This sounds like a good sign, but I'd still appreciate some numbers. So it's zero out of how many? I checked the first 15 websites in the list on this doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cmbXpjAcXAht2ufi7bNKy-rbVNveqaf0UzeYg_DIMNA/edit#heading=h.6sz4u73bikbd Regarding the direct outreach targets you mentioned, are they already fixed, or do they need more time to update? We have reached out to the relevant people. So, you have contacted them, but they still need more time to update? Do you have an estimate for when they will be updated? We already got a response from the gmail team, and everything is ok there, we even have a jsfiddle example <https://jsfiddle.net/v167sj9p/> that shows that the visual aspect doesn't change for them. Still waiting for a response from the Office 365, if we don't get a response in the next week we will reach out again for a better defined timeline. What is your rollout plan for this change---straight to 100% with a killswitch, or a gradual rollout, or...? Our plan is to go straight to 100% with a killswitch. *Gecko*: No signal Filed a standard position request: https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/977 *WebKit*: No signal Filed a standard position request: https://github.com/WebKit/standards-positions/issues/311 *Web developers*: Positive ( https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cmbXpjAcXAht2ufi7bNKy-rbVNveqaf0UzeYg_DIMNA/edit#heading=h.6sz4u73bikbd) Research collected as part of the previous attempt to remove CSS zoom demonstrated several use cases. *Other signals*: WebView application risks See Interoperability and Compatibility above Debuggability None Will this feature be supported on all six Blink platforms (Windows, Mac, Linux, ChromeOS, Android, and Android WebView)?No Is this feature fully tested by web-platform-tests <https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/main/docs/testing/web_platform_tests.md> ?Yes All JS APIs affected by zoom are tested with the following wpt tests: https://wpt.fyi/results/css/cssom-view/offsetTop-offsetLeft-with-zoom.html?label=master&label=experimental&aligned&q=cssom-view%2FoffsetTop-offsetLeft-with-zoom.html https://wpt.fyi/results/css/cssom-view/client-props-zoom.html?label=master&label=experimental&aligned https://wpt.fyi/results/css/cssom-view/getBoundingClientRect-zoom.html?label=master&label=experimental&aligned https://wpt.fyi/results/css/cssom-view/getClientRects-zoom.html?label=master&label=experimental&aligned https://wpt.fyi/results/css/cssom-view/scroll-zoom.html?label=master&label=experimental&aligned https://wpt.fyi/results/intersection-observer/zoom-scaled-target.html?label=experimental&label=master&aligned Are the non-JS aspects of the API also tested? Yes, the tests also test the cpp code that is affected. My question was about the visual aspects. Are there any, for example, reftests, which show that zoom has a visual effect? Yes, there are reftests for zoom in the wpt folder. The behavior of many aspects of the zoom are not changed (Especially the visual effect of CSS zoom on most elements, excluding iframes) and those tests stay the same. We will also add reftests for iframes with CSS zoom withe the patch adding those changes to iframes. 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