On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 6:52 AM Yoav Weiss (@Shopify) <yoavwe...@chromium.org> wrote:
> LGTM to run a deprecation trial M124-M134 inclusive. > Thanks! > > May our mutations no longer be eventful!! > 😊 > On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 3:50 PM Mason Freed <mas...@chromium.org> wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 6:06 AM Yoav Weiss (@Shopify) < >> yoavwe...@chromium.org> wrote: >> >>> Just to clarify - this intent is asking to start a deprecation trial for >>> mutation events in 124 and ending it in 134, but you'd send a separate >>> intent on the actual removal of mutation events? >>> >> >> Yes, that’s correct. Here’s the request for deprecation thread: >> >> >> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev/c/qDsKRU-cQ_4/m/P_iXWapTBgAJ >> >> And I’ll send a request for removal closer to 126. >> >> Thanks, >> Mason >> >> >> >>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 5:12 PM Mason Freed <mas...@chromium.org> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 3:38 AM Yoav Weiss (@Shopify) < >>>> yoavwe...@chromium.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Note that them shipping 2.0 and everyone upgrading to 2.0 are not the >>>>> same thing, and is unlikely to happen at the same time.. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Agreed for sure. That’s why I’ve been trying to get them to confirm >>>> exactly what functionality will be broken. I can’t see any breakage myself. >>>> >>>> What would breakage look like? Are we expecting JS to be borked >>>>>> entirely? Or do we expect the events to stop firing, resulting in >>>>>> hopefully >>>>>> smaller and less-visible breakage? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> No there shouldn’t be any exceptions thrown, so the JS should be fine. >>>> It’s just that those events will not be fired. The breakage, whatever it >>>> is, is so small that I’ve yet been able to notice it. That’s not to say >>>> there isn’t risk - there surely is. Just that I’m hopeful. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Mason >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The npm package you listed, for example, would use the actual >>>>>>>>> events if available, so sites using that polyfill would also count >>>>>>>>> towards >>>>>>>>> the event usage if the browser supports those even though that's >>>>>>>>> "safe", >>>>>>>>> right? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is an excellent point that I hadn't thought of. I'm going to >>>>>>>> modify the polyfill right now to *always* run. That way polyfilled >>>>>>>> usage >>>>>>>> will no longer be counted. I'm used to writing polyfills for features >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> are getting *added*, where you want to avoid using the polyfill when >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> feature is supported. This is the opposite. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Mason >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Gecko*: Positive ( >>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/807) "very >>>>>>>>>> strong positive position" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *WebKit*: No signal ( >>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/WebKit/standards-positions/issues/192) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Web developers*: No signals >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Other signals*: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> WebView application risks >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Does this intent deprecate or change behavior of existing APIs, >>>>>>>>>> such that it has potentially high risk for Android WebView-based >>>>>>>>>> applications? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> None >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Goals for experimentation >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ongoing technical constraints >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Debuggability >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Will this feature be supported on all six Blink platforms >>>>>>>>>> (Windows, Mac, Linux, ChromeOS, Android, and Android WebView)?Yes >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Is this feature fully tested by web-platform-tests >>>>>>>>>> <https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/main/docs/testing/web_platform_tests.md> >>>>>>>>>> ?No >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Flag name on chrome://flags >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Finch feature nameNone >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Non-finch justificationNone >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Requires code in //chrome?False >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Tracking bughttps://crbug.com/1446498 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Estimated milestones >>>>>>>>>> Shipping on desktop 115 >>>>>>>>>> OriginTrial desktop last 134 >>>>>>>>>> OriginTrial desktop first 124 >>>>>>>>>> Shipping on Android 115 >>>>>>>>>> OriginTrial Android last 134 >>>>>>>>>> OriginTrial Android first 124 >>>>>>>>>> Shipping on WebView 115 >>>>>>>>>> OriginTrial webView last 134 >>>>>>>>>> OriginTrial webView first 124 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Link to entry on the Chrome Platform Status >>>>>>>>>> https://chromestatus.com/feature/5083947249172480 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Links to previous Intent discussionsIntent to Experiment: >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev/c/qDsKRU-cQ_4/m/isA1mZ_aAAAJ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This intent message was generated by Chrome Platform Status >>>>>>>>>> <https://chromestatus.com/>. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "blink-dev" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to blink-dev+unsubscr...@chromium.org. >>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/CAM%3DNeDjevtANjMn1NUK83UGyJyv4HrLCFkjs9fhL6UVov_uAkA%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/CAM%3DNeDjevtANjMn1NUK83UGyJyv4HrLCFkjs9fhL6UVov_uAkA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "blink-dev" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to blink-dev+unsubscr...@chromium.org. >>>>>> >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/CAM%3DNeDgpfzo%3DztS_MEzJg7N4vgiNXR2D-CcBwvZp9KaX_W0MyA%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/CAM%3DNeDgpfzo%3DztS_MEzJg7N4vgiNXR2D-CcBwvZp9KaX_W0MyA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "blink-dev" group. 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