Hi! Is there a good tutorial or kind of mastering the command line book? Of course i could read the linux and unix administrators handbook. But that book is a huge amount of text to go through. I really would be able to use the command line more but i really don’t know where to start. Copying and moving files is not a problem. /A > On 18 Jul 2016, at 19:13, Cheryl Homiak <cah4...@icloud.com> wrote: > > I think this is really a pretty complex issue. It really depends to some > extent on how people started out. Those of us who started out with DOS and > linux and didn't quickly go the Windows route I believe often prefer or at > least like the command line. Those who never did DOS or linux or went > straight from DOS to Windows probably do prefer the gui. For Mac users who > didn't come from a linux/Unix background, because voiceover isn't as friendly > in the terminal, the gui appears usually to be the preference. I still use > the command-line every single day and I use brltty on my Mac in terminal and > only use Apple braille for the gui. It makes me sad to hear people say, as > several did in a class i took recently, that they hate using or are > uncomfortable using the terminal; the training guide I have for certification > as a support professional repeatedly admits there are things that can be done > in terminal that can't be done easily or can't be done at all from the gui > yet it appears that Apple requires less and less knowledge of command-line > usage and understanding of the Unix underpinnings than used to be required. I > very much enjoy the gui and wouldn't want to go back to command-line only but > neither do I want to lose my command-line skills. I think the fact that I > really have very little skill in the gui in linux has to do mostly with the > fact that I began using the Mac when Voiceover was introduced. I still use > linux though right at this moment I don't have a linux installation, but I've > never really gone to the effort of learning the gui in linux because I mostly > meet my needs as far as gui with Mac OS. Probably I should work on mastering > the gui in linux also, but I honestly don't know whether I will ever do that, > at least as long as I can use Mac OS and i-devices and even a Kindle fire. > >> On Jul 18, 2016, at 11:53 AM, John J. Boyer <john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org> >> wrote: >> >> My experience is that most blind people like a GUI with a screen reader >> better than the command line. Those who have teouble with GUIs, like me, >> seem to be decidedly in the minority. >> >> John >> >> On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 12:29:39AM +0200, Anders Holmberg wrote: >>> Hi! >>> Thats intresting. >>> I am the total oposit guy. >>> I had and have no problems learning gui’s but for me the command line is to >>> hard. >>> Although i began with a debian command line system 16 years ago and gave >>> that up for windows a couple of years. >>> Now i am back to vinux and a mac with osx. >>> I whish i was patient enough to learn command line. >>> Maybe i am to dum or maybe i am lazy. >>> /A >>>> On 17 Jul 2016, at 22:57, Sam Hartman <hartm...@mit.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>>> "John" == John J Boyer <john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org> writes: >>>> >>>> John> I';ve been trying to get a feel for GUIs for years. Sighted >>>> John> colleagues are no help. They only tell me how they use the >>>> John> mouse. They won't use a keyboard shourcut even when it is much >>>> John> simpler. For example, they will scroll down a long document >>>> John> instead of using ctrl+f to find something. i've tried >>>> John> unsuccessfully tpo find a Jaws trainer. After I reinstalled >>>> John> Windows 7 recently Jaws wouldn't install. I'm now using NVDA >>>> John> and I don't think I'll go back to Jaws. >>>> >>>> This is really interesting, because now I'm realizing that I don't know >>>> how to teach someone GUIs on modern equipment at all. >>>> I don't know if I can find a solution, but I'll see if I can toss the >>>> question around. >>>> >>>> I hear your frustration completely about people who know one way of >>>> doing something and who aren't even great at articulating that. >>>> >>>> I started to say "well, understanding the mouse at least well enough to >>>> get your screen reader to click places and stuff is worth knowing. >>>> That's true of course, although I just realized that most of the screen >>>> readers I use these days actually wouldn't let me click usefully on a >>>> scroll bar if I wanted to. >>>> So, even if you wanted to be incredibly slow, you can't get work done >>>> just understanding the mouse operations. >>>> >>>> Thanks for helping me understand an interesting challenge; I'll let you >>>> know if I come up with anything that might help at all. >>>> >>>> --Sam >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blinux-list mailing list >>> Blinux-list@redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> >> -- >> John J. 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