I think as a general rule, Cheryl is quite correct. Support for the terminal in Voice Over, and in every gui screen reader I know is frankly subpar. We got to the point in DOS where the screen readers, especially asap and vocal-eyes, were powerful and able to change configurations on the fly to deal with different screens properly. Even Speakup can't do that like they did, though I use Speakup far more than any gui, even Gnome and Orca.
Janina Cheryl Homiak writes: > I think this is really a pretty complex issue. It really depends to some > extent on how people started out. Those of us who started out with DOS and > linux and didn't quickly go the Windows route I believe often prefer or at > least like the command line. Those who never did DOS or linux or went > straight from DOS to Windows probably do prefer the gui. For Mac users who > didn't come from a linux/Unix background, because voiceover isn't as friendly > in the terminal, the gui appears usually to be the preference. I still use > the command-line every single day and I use brltty on my Mac in terminal and > only use Apple braille for the gui. It makes me sad to hear people say, as > several did in a class i took recently, that they hate using or are > uncomfortable using the terminal; the training guide I have for certification > as a support professional repeatedly admits there are things that can be done > in terminal that can't be done easily or can't be done at all from the gui > yet it appears that Apple requires less and less knowledge of command-line > usage and understanding of the Unix underpinnings than used to be required. I > very much enjoy the gui and wouldn't want to go back to command-line only but > neither do I want to lose my command-line skills. I think the fact that I > really have very little skill in the gui in linux has to do mostly with the > fact that I began using the Mac when Voiceover was introduced. I still use > linux though right at this moment I don't have a linux installation, but I've > never really gone to the effort of learning the gui in linux because I mostly > meet my needs as far as gui with Mac OS. Probably I should work on mastering > the gui in linux also, but I honestly don't know whether I will ever do that, > at least as long as I can use Mac OS and i-devices and even a Kindle fire. > > > On Jul 18, 2016, at 11:53 AM, John J. Boyer <john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org> > > wrote: > > > > My experience is that most blind people like a GUI with a screen reader > > better than the command line. Those who have teouble with GUIs, like me, > > seem to be decidedly in the minority. > > > > John > > > > On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 12:29:39AM +0200, Anders Holmberg wrote: > >> Hi! > >> Thats intresting. > >> I am the total oposit guy. > >> I had and have no problems learning gui’s but for me the command line is > >> to hard. > >> Although i began with a debian command line system 16 years ago and gave > >> that up for windows a couple of years. > >> Now i am back to vinux and a mac with osx. > >> I whish i was patient enough to learn command line. > >> Maybe i am to dum or maybe i am lazy. > >> /A > >>> On 17 Jul 2016, at 22:57, Sam Hartman <hartm...@mit.edu> wrote: > >>> > >>>>>>>> "John" == John J Boyer <john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org> writes: > >>> > >>> John> I';ve been trying to get a feel for GUIs for years. Sighted > >>> John> colleagues are no help. They only tell me how they use the > >>> John> mouse. They won't use a keyboard shourcut even when it is much > >>> John> simpler. For example, they will scroll down a long document > >>> John> instead of using ctrl+f to find something. i've tried > >>> John> unsuccessfully tpo find a Jaws trainer. After I reinstalled > >>> John> Windows 7 recently Jaws wouldn't install. I'm now using NVDA > >>> John> and I don't think I'll go back to Jaws. > >>> > >>> This is really interesting, because now I'm realizing that I don't know > >>> how to teach someone GUIs on modern equipment at all. > >>> I don't know if I can find a solution, but I'll see if I can toss the > >>> question around. > >>> > >>> I hear your frustration completely about people who know one way of > >>> doing something and who aren't even great at articulating that. > >>> > >>> I started to say "well, understanding the mouse at least well enough to > >>> get your screen reader to click places and stuff is worth knowing. > >>> That's true of course, although I just realized that most of the screen > >>> readers I use these days actually wouldn't let me click usefully on a > >>> scroll bar if I wanted to. > >>> So, even if you wanted to be incredibly slow, you can't get work done > >>> just understanding the mouse operations. > >>> > >>> Thanks for helping me understand an interesting challenge; I'll let you > >>> know if I come up with anything that might help at all. > >>> > >>> --Sam > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Blinux-list mailing list > >>> Blinux-list@redhat.com > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Blinux-list mailing list > >> Blinux-list@redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > -- > > John J. Boyer; President, > > AbilitiesSoft, Inc. > > Email: john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org > > Website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org > > Status: 501(C)(3) Nonprofit > > Location: Madison, Wisconsin USA > > Mission: To develop softwares and provide STEM services for people with > > disabilities which are available at no cost. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:jan...@asterisk.rednote.net Email: jan...@rednote.net Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa _______________________________________________ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
