I found writing to console when doing a visualbasic project was very
stable and not at all flakey. This was in Windows 7 and that was with
jaws at work.
On Thu, 28 Jul 2016, Janina Sajka wrote:
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 12:23:05
From: Janina Sajka <jan...@rednote.net>
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To: blinux-list@redhat.com
Subject: Re: How did people here learn GUIs
One might hope for this, but I suspect there's a builtin problem with
Windows screen readers. Are any of them any good with text output in the
terminal? I haven't tried recently myself, but I don't see as there's
been any reason for them to get any better this way.
Decades ago we had pretty powerful screen readers for DOS, and we
certainly have a very powerful screen reader on Linux consoles in
Speakup. But, without something similarly capable, I don't see how cli
based apps are going to attract blind users on Windows. Sad, actually.
Janina
Devin Prater writes:
Well, now that bash is everywhere, perhaps we'll see a console comeback, at
least for the blind. I could see great email clients and web browsers come out
of this. But then again, it may just be a sort of forgotten thing, on the
fringes of knowledge, like the windows command-line is for most users.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 24, 2016, at 5:22 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, I need to still look into this more myself, so I don't have all the
answers yet like those of you who have explored this more already, but I'm not
sure why this has to be a half baked solution. Also, even though developers
have been dealing with cross platform development for a while doesn't mean it
can't be improved or that this won't open up some more opportunities for
developers to quickly make some applications available on multiple platforms.
I'm also thinking of the cloud where developers might want to manage multiple
operating systems, like Windows and Ubuntu running in clouds such as Azure or
AWS. Providing the ability to quickly build a framework based on tools common
to both Windows and Ubuntu seems like it would be a good idea in this situation.
For me, I like seeing new innovative things being done and offered. Let things
like this be made available and see if any bright developers or users out there
want to take advantage of it. If it doesn't work then it doesn't harm me at
all, but if it does then who knows what I'll now have access to. I'm just glad
there are people out there trying new things and not just listening to the nay
sayers who are happy with what they have and think everyone else should be as
well.
On 24/07/16 12:27, Kyle wrote:
I'm not exactly sure why developers would want this either. Windows
developers already had Visual Studio, which they apparently love, and
GNU/Linux developers will continue using GNU/Linux, where all the
development software anyone could dream of is free and open source.
Developers, more even than regular users, want a complete solution, not
some half-baked attempt at GNU in a Microsoft environment. They will
either go for 100% Microsoft in the Windows + Visual Studio, or they
will develop for GNU/Linux. Cross-platform developers will continue
doing what they have always done, which means running multiple OS's and
building for each one individually. I guess maybe people building
Rockbox who have used GNU/Linux to build it for years will possibly be
able to fully build it in a Windows environment without Cygwin, but
what's the point, especially when they've already been using GNU/Linux
for years to do that?
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