On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 10:44 AM Kathleen Nichols <nich...@pollere.com> wrote: > > > I have been kind of blown away by this discussion. Jim Gettys kind of > kicked off the current wave of dealing with full queues, dubbing it > "bufferbloat". He wanted to write up how it happened so that people > could start on a solution and I was enlisted to get an article written. > We tried to draw on the accumulated knowledge of decades and use a > context of What Jim Saw. I think the article offers some insight on > queues (perhaps I'm biased as a co-author, but I'm not claiming any > original insights just putting it together) > https://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2071893 > > Further, in our first writing about CoDel, Van insisted on getting a > good explanation of queues and how things go wrong. I think the figures > and the explanation of how buffers are meant to be shock absorbers are > very useful (yes, bias again, but I'm not saying you have to agree about > CoDel's efficacy, just about how queues happen and why we need some > buffer). https://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2209336 > > It's just kind of weird since Jim's evangelism is at the root of this > list (and Dave's picking up the torch of course). Reading is a lost art.
The working title of my PHD thesis is "Sanely shedding load", which, while our work to date has made a dent on it, is a broader question, that also applies to people and how we manage load... ... las, for example, I'm at least 20 messages behind on these lists this week so far, and I figure that thesis will never complete until I learn how to write in passive voice. I think the two pieces above, this list, evangelism, and working results has made an enormous dent in how computer scientists and engineers think about things over the last 7 years, and it will continue to percolate through academia and elsewhere to good effect. And your and jim's paper has 389 cites now: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=bufferbloat&btnG=&oq= I know, sadly, though, that my opinion about how much we've changed the world, has more than a bit of confirmation bias in it. I loved what uber did (https://eng.uber.com/qalm/) I'd certainly love to see kleinrock taught not just in comp sci and engineering, but in business and government, as I just spent 3 hours at the DMV that I wish I didn't need to spend, and a day where I could hit dice.com for "queue theory" and come up with hundreds of hits across all professions... rather than 0. > > Kathie > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat -- Dave Täht CTO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-831-205-9740 _______________________________________________ Bloat mailing list Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat