The question I struggle with is how to get ISPs to care and put pressure on CPE 
manufacturers to fix bufferbloat in their products.

I performed some tests on my Zyxel router, and the WiFi link was terribly 
bloated when there were a few walls between my laptop and the router. The 
latency almost reached 10 seconds under load! My ISPs response was that some 
buffering is normal (some = 10 seconds??) and that artificially saturating the 
link doesn't represent a normal use case. Keep in mind that this was at the 
edge of the WiFi coverage with a maximum data rate of 15 Mbps, a speed that's 
relatively easy to reach. I followed up with an email about how there are 
solutions to this issue and that they should put pressure on Zyxel to implement 
them, but alas, there has been no response and it has probably fallen on deaf 
ears.

Michael

-------- Original Message --------
On 10 Aug 2020, 22:28, Dave Collier-Brown wrote:

> Hi Johnathan, I remember you from before!
>
> On 2020-08-10 1:58 p.m., Jonathan Foulkes wrote:
>
>>> Because of the degree to which we're working from home and 
>>> videoconferencing, a lot of low-price, medium-performance devices are 
>>> suddenly too wimpy for their new role.
>>
>> Big time. As noted above, it not just the CPE devices, it’s the congestion 
>> on the backhauls that causes issues, and it’s everything from DSL (slammed 
>> DSLAMs are endemic) to cable systems with oversubscribed local loops and 
>> congested CMTS backhaul. Hell, even fiber to the home ISPs manage to have 
>> variable capacity (and bloat) in the evenings.
>
> ...
>
>> Stuff like this article from Jim Gettys on the needs of teachers. BTW- he 
>> calls out the IQrouter as his ‘Go to’ recommendation for non-techies. He 
>> runs one himself and gave one to his non-techie brother. [Bufferbloat in 
>> Action due to 
>> Covid-19](https://gettys.wordpress.com/2020/04/22/bufferbloat-in-action-due-to-covid-19/)
>
> Thanks, I hadn't seen that
>
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