Hi :) It's not to restructure the entire TDF existing infrastructure! What is there works extremely well except in the case of Base. We clearly don't need separate lists for the other apps as they are all doing fine as they are both in documentation and in keeping devs that start work on them.
It is good to hear that the default back-end issue appears to have been decided already although i thought there were problems with Sqlite too. Certainly MariaDb sounds too heavy for a default. Anyway i didn't mean to start discussion here as most of the people that have expressed interest in Base in the last few months are not on this list. Base loses people almost faster than it attracts them but it does attract an odd person or 2 occasionally. Regards from Tom :) --- On Sun, 11/9/11, Norbert Thiebaud <nthieb...@gmail.com> wrote: From: Norbert Thiebaud <nthieb...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list? To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Date: Sunday, 11 September, 2011, 19:09 On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Tom Davies <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > HI :) > Base needs to have some documentation to help devs understand what it's > trying to do. > > With the other apps it's much easier to have an overview even without having > any documentation but Base is a lot more complex. Also there needs to be > some discussion between devs and other people to decide what to use instead > of java, and the direction to take generally. Apparently the default HqSql > back-end is fairly troublesome but there is a new project "MariaDb" that is a > drop-in replacement for MySql that might be much better as a back-end. > MariaDb is basically almost the entire community that worked on MySql > including some of the original people plus a load of new people that joined > since the project broke free from Sun/Oracle. MariaDB is like MySql, so it is a nice and powerful database, but too heavy weight(*) for a 'default' back-end. SQLite sound like a much better match for the task. (*) by too heavy weight, I'm referring to installation, configuration, need for started-task/daemon, need for periodic maintenance etc... > Anyway it needs a small team of people to try out different back-ends to see > which are viable as back-ends and which might be easiest to have as the > default one. Perhaps bringing their recommendation back to steering-discuss > to make an informed vote. That's not how it works... voting is not the answer... doing is. I'm pretty sure that if somebody step up to make a viable support for a self-contained back-end, it will fidn its way into the code by consensus, without the need for a 'vote', or getting the steering commity or future BoD involved in any ways. BTW this is already listed as an 'Easy Hack' : http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Easy_Hacks#default_to_SQLite_not_HSQLDB_in_Base So clearly this is not a technical/political disagreement, but just a matter of someone stepping up to do the work... > > As i understand it the current infra-structure is leading to Base gently > crumbling away through neglect. It is not an infrastructure problem. it is a lack of interest problem. > Experienced devs steer well away from Base. New ones need to learn more >understanding about coding or about Base or about both. Every time an >individual joins and is keen to work on some aspect of Base they realise it's >a completely tangled mess and they would be the only person working on it so >they get discouraged and give-up. That is true for every part of the product. the effort needed to find your way in the code is high, and base is not special in that regard. I seriously doubt that it is easier to find your way around writer than it is to find your way around base. > > Yes it would be great to have input from the entire devs list but > 1. They are not interested in Base That is indeed a problem, but I fail to see how starting to section the community vertically ( vs horizontally like the ml are now) will help > 2. The non-coders that want to do non-coding work on Base (eg Documentation, > perhaps marketing, perhaps design of aspects of the UI that only appear in > Base, the wizards and so on) would be unable to understand. I don't understand what you mean with that paragraph... Norbert -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
