We have all agreed we're not going to do anything until the elections are done, 
no disagreement.

Nor was I advocating "experimenting" on the OIDF website.  I think the question 
that was originally put to the BOD was should we spend $2K to update the text 
box implementation to fix the bugs that were reported with i-names and directed 
identity.  There was a lot of discussion about when and whether to spend that 
$2K, at which point I offered a suggestion to put a different front end on RPX 
as one alternative, either for the near term (cost deferral) or long term (cost 
reduction).  If neither of those proposals is acceptable, that's fine, it was 
only a suggestion in response to a lot of dialog on the thread.

So if the majority of the board prefers to spend the $2K to fix the text box 
implementation we had originally, then that's what we should do, and have 
Refresh Media start soon so that they can make the change as soon as the 
elections are over.  If we want to do something else to save/delay costs, 
improve the UX, switch vendors from Refresh, etc. then those proposals should 
be shared with the BOD as well as alternatives to consider.  If there are no 
other proposals to consider, then a simple vote on $2K for Refresh's proposal 
should wrap this up.

Cheers,

Brian
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
Dick Hardt
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:44 AM
To: [email protected]
Cc: larry drebes
Subject: Re: [OpenID board] BOARD VOTE: Motion to update Rails plugin 
andOpenID.net ...


On 18-Dec-08, at 10:27 AM, Brian Kissel wrote:


I don't know how much more clear I can be.  I'm NOT advocating for RPX, I'm 
advocating for a better UX on the OIDF website.  Rip out RPX today, that's 
fine.  Ask the community how we can improve OpenID login on the OIDF website, 
then get volunteers to implement it or pay Refresh or anyone else to implement 
it.  But let's make the OIDF website a showcase of the goodness of OpenID for 
users and RPs.  Like it or not, the OIDF website is a showcase for the broader 
market, not just a tool for OIDF members.  If we can improve UX and maintain 
neutrality, great.  But let's not sacrifice UX for neutrality if we know that 
the existing neutral UX is NOT intuitive.  Would love to see some ideas on what 
we could be doing to improve intuitiveness rather than just saying a text box 
is neutral, so let's just take the easy path and go that way.

Would like to hear from some others on how we can improve intuitiveness and 
whether it's important, not only on our website, but as a fundamental goal for 
the OIDF.

That is more clear -- although your other comments indicate you are justifying 
why it is ok to use RPX.

OpenID UX is an issue. I do NOT think the OIDF website is the place to 
experiment, particularly during an election process.

This is a technical issue -- and the OIDF is there to facilitate resolving the 
problem -- the Foundation bylaws explicitly forbid the Foundation from directly 
resolving technical issues.

There is pretty active discussion on UX issues on the lists now. I think people 
are looking at how to solve it -- and there is NO clear solution that has 
gained consensus.

I think we are WAY off topic on this thread now.

-- Dick



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