So far Chris made the proposal and I've expressed support for it.
Given that no other board members have participated in the discussion,
I'm guessing that most board memebers don't have strong opinions on
the matter. We could either:
1) try to encourage additional discussion among board members and the
community
2) accept this as a valid motion and have Don schedule an electronic
vote
3) discuss this on our executive committee call next week and make a
decision there
Don, can you please help move this discussion/decision forward?
Thanks,
--David
On Jun 1, 2009, at 11:55 AM, DeWitt Clinton wrote:
Can we at least decide one way or the other whether I can open the
openid.googlecode.com project up to Chris and others representing
the OIDF?
-DeWitt
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 11:47 AM, David Recordon <[email protected]>
wrote:
No, Heraldry failed because the two companies responsible for the
majority of OpenID implementations at the time didn't want to work
within the ASF's process. This is one of the reasons why community
based open source development is important beyond just corporate
backed development.
I think Chris' proposal is sound, he has buy in from various library
contributors, we have a way to let people like Mart continue
developing on GitHub, and I'm not seeing a concrete alternative
proposal with someone willing to lead it and make it happen like
Chris is. So I'm sorry, but can we please move forward?
If we believe that the best path forward is for Chris to first make http://openid.net/code
then lets do that, but I agree with him that an OpenID Google Code
project is a demonstrable piece of forward momentum. The wider
developer community has expressed many times over that OpenID's
libraries are not of the quality that they need to be and it is the
Foundation's job to help fix that.
--David
On Jun 1, 2009, at 8:38 AM, Johannes Ernst wrote:
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Johannes Ernst
<[email protected]> wrote:
We had this discussion before and it lead to the Apache incubator
named Heraldry. Admittedly that one failed, but I don't think it
was because of the name ;-)
If it wasn't the name, can you describe why it failed. I've heard
of Heraldry, but am not familiar with its structure or fate.
The idea was to incubate within the Apache Software Foundation an
open-source project developing OpenID-related functionality.
Libraries were donated into it, and an entire OpenID provider was
donated into it. There was broad support from all parts of the
OpenID community. We figured being associated with the ASF would
not be a bad idea, and the Apache license sounded good, too.
The incubation process failed because basically nobody "did
anything" in terms of writing code.
I am curious how you think that the foundation should best go
about creating or facilitating the creation of the circumstances
that would lead to world-class open source OpenID libraries being
developed.
I haven't heard alternative proposals, but I have received some
negative feedback towards my proposals, and yet the libraries are
still not writing themselves.
Well, from what I can see the openid4java project has some
traction. It is my understanding that code from that project has
been incorporated into some large-scale commercial offerings. It's
a small community but it is active and has been for a while. So
they are doing something right. Perhaps one could attempt to
broaden that project beyond Java?
I think a similar question needs to be asked about commercial/
proprietary implementations. There aren't a whole lot of those
either. I would stipulate that it is for the same reason.
Now stop me because I'm about the speculate why that is. ;-) But
that wasn't your question.
Cheers,
Johannes.
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